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Basically, K-pop is pop music from Korea. It's very, very obvious, but I think there's a lot of kind of special aspects to it that Western music, pop music doesn't have. I focus very heavily on authenticity, especially with my own music. I wanna just speak the truth and nothing but the truth, and I almost kind of went the opposite way with it. After kind of suffering, kind of hiding behind all of these masks, now I'm just like, I'm gonna say what the...

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whatever the fuck I want, however the fuck I want. Just to kind of like give you guys a little bit of reality. You know, even something that streams a million plays is not even covering like a normal production fee for a producer. The hardest part of ending is starting again. You're listening to the Radcast. If it's radical, we cover it. Here's your host, Ryan Alford.

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Hey guys, what's up? Welcome to the latest edition of the Radcast. We've been going down the road of entertainment and music. We've had a country flair to it, but today we're going pop, R&B and I, hey, I think we might get into a lot of different genres, but I'm excited to be joined by Alina, Alina Smith, hit producer, songwriter, podcast host, and all around badass. What's up Alina? What's up Brian? How are you? I'm good. Thanks for coming on. Yeah.

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Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited to be here. I know I mean you're hey you do it You got your hands a lot of stuff. We're gonna get into all that Grown fucking woman's the latest single we're gonna talk about that And I just like enjoy you like the first guest I've had that's had like a brand or a song that has fucking in it so like But it's it's cool to actually be able to say it for a real purpose

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I was like, can I cuss or can I not? No, yes, you can. Be yourself. Hey, it's the Radcast, shit. Like, you know, like if we were at the Radcast, I'm like, I really need you to not say any cuss words or talk bad. No, it's all good. It's all good, be yourself. But- Nice. Yeah, I think definitely it's really fun to have a lead single that is like that explicit because, you know, it's definitely, when I first wrote the song, I was like, ooh,

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like should I clean this up a little bit? But I feel like it's like you said, when it has a purpose and it has an energy behind it, I'm not just saying it to be a potty mouth and have the kids think I'm cool. There is a very particular energy that comes with it. And then I have plenty of clean songs that don't need that. So I'm not gonna put that in it because it doesn't need it. So it is fun to play with something that's so powerful and such a powerful message too.

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more into that. But let's start, let's back up a little bit. You know, we've got the hit of today, which we'll get to and we'll talk more about your music. But I know it all is centered in that in some ways, being a songwriter, producer and all those things. But let's give everyone a little bit of your background in the industry and just some of your professional highlights and all that stuff. Yeah, absolutely. I always feel so awkward talking about myself that way.

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So basically I am an artist, writer and producer. I kind of have my hands on a lot of pods. I've been doing this for a really long time just to give you guys like a very quick overview. I started when I was a kid. I'm actually originally from Russia and I basically was in this like kid singing group from the time I was, I think seven. I always forget like a long time ago. You were young then. Yeah, I was a little kid. You know, we toured all around Europe

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venues. So that was kind of my entrance into that. And then as I grew up, I moved to the States and I was pretty much ready to pursue doing music as an adult. Like I didn't really ever have a moment of like, Oh, what else should I do? I always just kind of knew that, Oh, well, I do this well, I should probably just keep doing that. So.

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You know, and I've kind of had, you know, a long journey, a very long journey. I'm 34 now. I started when I was 17, like full time. So pretty much half my life at this point. And definitely for the first 10 years of that, I had pretty much like no success at all. And I definitely I always feel kind of weird saying that because I know a lot of aspiring people that listen. That's not like a very fun thing to hear and maybe a bit discouraging. But I always say like I.

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of detriments that were kind of holding me back. Like one is definitely kind of like, not even just a language barrier because I learned English fluently, to speak English fluently.

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really quickly. It's more like a cultural barrier, I think is a lot tougher. I think it's a lot harder to absorb the culture of another country to then be able to regurgitate that culture in an artistic way and serve it to the people. I think that's a really tough call. So it took me quite a long time to kind of like really understand what was going on here culturally.

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business-wise, like in the music industry, you know, and I would say kind of like the 2010s, earlier 2000s, it was not like as, I don't know, as honest of a time, as good of a time as it is now. I think things have gotten a lot better. So it was, it was tough, you know, but once I kind of started getting my footing, I started

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having a lot more success and writing for a lot of different projects. I've done a lot of things in K-pop, which is really funny because when I started, everybody was like, what is K-pop? What is this music that you write? And now everybody wants to write K-pop. Everybody wants to go to Korea to do writing camps. It's really, really funny to me.

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Yeah, I've had a lot of success with bands like Itzy and Red Velvet and Produce 101, like shows these kind of like finding singers type shows in Korea, Japan and China. How would you describe K-pop? I mean, let's keep going. But I do want to tell people because like, you know, our audience is, you know, probably fairly fluent middle age. Like they're probably hearing now BTS, like all this stuff. But like, what is K-pop? Like, what is K-pop? Basically, K-pop is pop music from Korea.

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It's very, very obvious, but I think there's a lot of kind of special aspects to it that Western music, pop music doesn't have. Gosh, it's really hard to describe it. I think it's just you have to kind of listen to it and experience it for yourself. I will say that it's extremely musical a lot of the times. It has great singing, great dancing, amazing music videos, usually much bigger budgets for music videos than artists in the

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So it's like a whole experience that is very.

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I don't know, bright and vivacious and vibrant. I really, it's such a great question. yourself. We'll, we'll link to some K-pop hits from Alina on our show notes. So look for that. Okay. I'll let you keep going. I had to pause there to give our best interpretation for, that now, I mean, you know, with it becoming more mainstream and I definitely just suggest going on the internet and just checking some songs out, some bands out, you would be surprised by what you will find in

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You will probably love it. That's my thought. But yeah, so and basically I've worked with a lot of artists. I've worked with a lot of influencer, like content creator type artists that started on YouTube, like Kenzie Ziegler and Nikki and Gabby, Nikita Dragun, people like that. And you know, I've worked with some traditional US artists like Fall Out Boy as well, Betty Who, people like that. So it's been quite a journey, you know, and I've mostly had...

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my success as a producer and writer, but very recently I started releasing music as an artist myself, which is very fun and rewarding for me because I kind of get to do whatever I want as an artist when as a producer, I'm always following guidelines from labels or artists or other writers. So it is a really fun new venture for me to be in for sure. That's cool. I mean, so for again, maybe the unknown, like

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Obviously songwriting is self-explanatory, but producing is a complex undertaking as far as different roles for what that can mean. From sound design, what are some of the hats you've worn working with those artists from a producer standpoint? That's such a great question. Yeah, producing definitely encompasses a lot,

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to do all of it. I pretty much produce, right? I mix. I try not to. I like to work with outside mixers, but I can do pretty much all of it. And I think production is really interesting because I think a lot of people feel intimidated by it because they think it's very technical. And like people look at, you know, the things I have on my screen when they're like, Oh, this looks like physics. Yes.

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perspective on it is a little bit different. I see all of those tools as simply tools. I mostly focus on creativity and music and arrangement. I definitely have like a very creative, right-brained approach to it. And I definitely use the tools and all the things that look like physics. I know how to use them, but I definitely think there's producers that are a little bit more on the kind of like...

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creative wild like let's put different sounds together see what it sounds like that side and then there's ones that are a little bit more Technical and even though I use the technology. Well, I definitely am more of like the fun creative type of person. I love it What are any like you called out a lot of them, but?

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anything that really stands out in that journey for you that's like, uh, I mean, not necessarily highlights because you worked with fallout boy. I mean, and people know that name. I mean, but like highlights from, uh, just a professional journey and things that you really, you know, that stand out in your own mind. Yeah, of course. I think one of the recent things that comes to mind is I worked on the song mafia in the morning for this band, it's see, which I'm super happy about because

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of like my favorite type of k-pop. So there's actually a lot of different types of k-pop getting into it. And then there's this particular sub-genre called girl crush. Basically, it's like these badass, really cool girls that dance, that sing, that rap and

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The way it differs from a lot of other female K-pop is a lot of other female K-pop is like really cute which I love that too but I do love kind of like the powerful like girl power vibes so I'm really happy about the song and it's done really really well. It was a single for ITZY so and they made the most amazing music video for it if you guys want to look it up just to kind of see some really insane video transitions and

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gorgeous sets and costuming and all of those kinds of things. I highly recommend it. I love it. And I know we talked pre-show.

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started getting you down the alley and I wanted to save it for the recording. Um, you know, some of your songwriting, you actually lived in Nashville as a country fan that, that perked my ears up. Like you've done writing on different things. Uh, what can you talk about in that avenue? Yeah, of course. So I actually lived in Nashville for quite a while for about four years and had an interesting experience there in country music. So I definitely am a fan of country music. I did leave the town and moved to LA because I.

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I think at least at that time, and I don't know how it is now, because I've been kind of out of that game for like five years now, but at that time, it wasn't a very friendly environment to females, like female writers and female producers. There weren't a lot of female...

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country artists that we could even write for, right? And I think it's definitely a little bit of a stretch for, you know, if somebody like me would write for Luke Bryan, for example, to like write about trucks and like beer and girls, like I can, but there's probably male songwriters that can like nail a lot better than somebody like me. You know what I mean? So.

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And definitely at that time, again, I can't speak for how it is now, but at that time, it just felt like it wasn't a very friendly environment to women and there weren't a lot of opportunities. So when I moved to LA is when I kind of started having a lot of my success, but I still definitely am a big fan of country music. I even released some music as a country artist back in the day, kind of played around with that. But I think it was one of those things that...

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as an artist that really wasn't very authentic to me. I like a lot of things about country music, like harmonies, I love live instruments like guitars. I love a lot of kind of like bendiness and vocals too. I still have retained some of that in my style now, but I think it was one of those things where I felt like I was really trying to stuff myself in a box.

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like trying to fit this thing everybody was doing at that time and make my voice fit it and make my style fit it and what I look like fit it. And you know.

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It kind of wasn't working and I learned a really important lesson than basically be yourself. Yeah. That's important for sure. Is, uh, and I mean, it, cause it doesn't, it just doesn't play well. People see through it, you know, eventually it's like, right? Then we do. They really do. And you also aren't happy as an artist pretending to be something you're not. I mean, I don't know. Maybe some people are.

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Definitely wasn't. I guess if they're good enough and get popular enough, maybe, but I don't know. They're making that money. But yeah, for me, it was one of those things I just kind of.

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felt like I was trying to create myself, like craft myself into something that I really wasn't. Like I even visually changed what I look like. Like, I see what I look like, I have brown hair, but I like dyed my hair blonde, you know? And I was trying to look like, you know, an American country, Southern girl. And like, if you look at my bone structure, I look very Russian. Really like wasn't working. So, you know, for me, I, since then, I focused very heavily on authenticity.

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especially with my own music, like I wanna just speak the truth and nothing but the truth. And I almost kind of went like the opposite way with it, you know, after.

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kind of suffering, kind of hiding behind all of these masks. Now I'm just like, I'm gonna say whatever the fuck I want, however the fuck I want, and if people like it, great. If they don't like it, great, I don't care. Hey, that's the way to be though. And I applaud you for that. I do wanna talk about the business of music, certainly building to today, but I know you've had your hands being quasi-independent. That's kind of a loaded word.

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the music business, it means certain things, but both as independent as a producer and artist, like in your own style, but also using social media and the avenues and the growth channels. I mean, talk about how you've utilized those mediums for longer than even most, now that it's mainstream, and maybe just some of the alternative paths of growth that have come in the business the last eight to 10 years. Yeah, 100%. I feel like my story's been really interesting

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quasi independent. I think that's a great way to put it because I was on a publishing deal like a major publishing deal for seven years. I literally just left that deal this year and for those that don't know publishing deal is basically a record deal for songwriters. It's a company that works with you as a songwriter or producer to try to send your songs to artists, develop your career, stuff like that. So I had a major deal so that part I was

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very much kind of following a traditional path. But I do think my passion has always lied in like exploration of non-traditional paths as a songwriter, as a producer. And I think a lot of my success has actually come from that. Funny enough, some of it has come from the traditional path. I will never knock it, because you know, I again, don't wanna lie. Some of it came from like these very established channels, but some has been very surprising. So.

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For me, I definitely have been an internet person for a while. I've been in and out of it, and I'm very much in it now. But I started.

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back in MySpace days, back in like 2005 when I was like 18, 19, whatever else. You're a social media OG, MySpace. Yeah, OG, I had a MySpace, it was popping up. I definitely had like a bit of a good run with MySpace. You know, it was very easy back then to kind of get your music in front of a lot of people using that tool. So that's what I was doing. The only thing I would say is, at that time my music wasn't that good.

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I'm gonna go to bed.

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and you have to have good stuff to really make this work. So. I like those things. Yeah, you know, definitely like with music or any product, I think like the product quality is first. You know, for music, I think listeners are really smart. They're constantly getting bombarded with stuff these days because everybody's trying to be an artist and they can pick up on quality in like two, three seconds. So, you know, it is really important to have great stuff. So, but other than that,

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ever since those days, you know, I've been on every social network I've done, you know, when Facebook was popular, I was on it, Instagram, I'm on that now, you know, I'm on YouTube, I'm on TikTok, I'm on all the things. I definitely think that what I've noticed is that I've had a lot of success with is putting out content about production and songwriting. I think there isn't that much content on those topics out there. There is some, but I've noticed that a lot of it comes from content creators that...

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solely focused on content creation, which is great because it's kind of a full-time job to be honest. I have some help. I have an assistant that edits my videos. I don't think I could do it otherwise.

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But I do know that a lot of this kind of production songwriting content comes from people that only do that. And a lot of them do it extremely well. But I do think some of them kind of lack a little bit of this industry perspective that I have from having pitched songs, having had songs recorded by artists, having worked with record labels, with publishers, managers. So I think I put a lot of this kind of

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just knowledge that I've accumulated over years into these videos that I make. And I find that a lot of people, at least from what they tell me, are benefiting from it. So that's been definitely fun to do. I have YouTube, you guys can look it up, it's just lyremusic, L-Y-R-E, that's my production team's name. But I've also recently started TikTok. And I will say, currently, that's probably the most powerful tool for...

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promoting anything, but especially music. I pretty much got, so I've had it for maybe like six months or so, but I got on it like really seriously last month. And I think I grew like 20,000 followers in a month just by posting consistently and like kind of catering to the audience for this type of production and songwriting type stuff. So I definitely highly recommend that to.

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anybody that wants to grow their following. And there's a lot, there's definitely a lot to it. There's, you know, the algorithm, you kind of have to study it. And I feel like it's kind of a moving target too. It's constantly changing. So, but recently I feel like I've had pretty good success with that. That's cool.

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I do want to talk about, you mentioned it a little bit earlier, um, with the country music stuff and you know, I don't want to be, I want this to be positive, but I do think there is some realities of the business, especially as it relates to, you know, female empowerment, female opportunities with producing and songwriting and I mean, I don't know if artists, I mean, it seems fairly balanced with the artists, maybe, maybe not. You can enlighten me on that, but certainly with the production side of things. Uh, I mean,

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you have a strong stance on that, but is it just, is it kind of one of those things that's always been this way, so it always stays this way and there hasn't been advocates for it? Or, you know, I'd love to get just your perspective on it. Yeah, I think it's a really complex topic. It's definitely originated in sexism. Yeah.

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And it is definitely shifting and getting better, but I think I get this question more than any other question from anybody, why is there not more female producers and engineers? And I think it's simply because female producers and engineers haven't been encouraged to go into these types of fields. When you look, when you're a young girl and you're considering, what do I wanna do? I wanna do music, what are...

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different kinds of jobs I can do in music, right? If you look it up and you look up producers, you're probably gonna find pictures and videos or whatever it is from a bunch of guys, right? And even subconsciously, when you see that as a woman, you're like, oh, well, this doesn't look like it's something for me, right? So I think it's just simply the factor of not having the representation there. But I do think there's a lot of positive shifts.

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in this direction that I've seen in the last two, three years, because I feel like when I was starting out, I definitely felt like very overt sexism about this. I had my own team member on my own publishing team tell me, yeah, but why are you putting so much effort into like learning all this production stuff? Like you're a pretty girl, you can sing, like you can write, like why do you need to do this? You know, and it was very like insulting and definitely.

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I'm the kind of person that you tell me something like that, I'm gonna be like, ha, let me prove you wrong. You're gonna triple down. Yeah, but I think for a lot of people, they will get discouraged, and it's not their fault that they would. It is very discouraging thing to hear. So there's definitely positive movement. There's companies, well, organizations like She Is The Music, which are constantly putting out information about...

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how to become an engineer, how to become producer, the host panels and podcasts, and just really try to increase representation. There's been some conversations like this from the Grammy board. So I haven't had any comments like that spoken to me, at least, in a very long time. So that feels really fun and encouraging that there are conversations, not just from women, but from men too, who are saying,

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like to work with a woman. I'd like to have a different perspective. I'd like to have a different sound, something that includes that feminine energy. So I do think things are getting better. And for anybody that's listening that is a woman that is looking to explore this field, I would definitely encourage you to follow something like She's the Music. There's even another Instagram account called Music Production for Women, run by an amazing...

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female producer, you can follow them. And then even something like YouTube, you can look up female producers on there that are teaching production, that are showing off their production. And you can follow them as well. Because I think if you, you know, it's like, you are what you eat and, you know, we all look at our feed and our feed is feeding us. So if your feed is full of female producers and engineers that are killing it, like, and I'm sure that subconsciously will help influence you in a positive direction. I love that. And, uh, you know, very sage advice.

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Even if you look 24 and you are 34.

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You look great and it threw me off. I was like I read it and I was like man. No, she can't be she is You know changing gears a bit into them back to the music I mean is there a

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Song and I know we'll talk about your most current stuff But like is there a song or something you produce like a particular one that's really just stands out I know you mentioned one earlier, but is there anything else that just stands out as something, you know, that's memorable or you're proud of or you know something that You know another track or something that everyone could maybe look up or associate with Of course. Well, here's a really funny kind of industry answer to that

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And I think a lot of songwriters producers would relate to this.

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favorite stuff has never seen the light of day. I understand that. Yeah. That is definitely... We're doing the ad agency business. There's a lot of commercials that are our favorites that never see the light of day because of clients. Oh no. No, I've never even thought of that. Yeah, see, and that's exactly right too. Because yeah, of course we don't use a music world, right? We don't use words like product or client. But really when we say artist or song, like that's what we mean.

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Yeah, so the thing is yeah a lot of the stuff that we write that you know We put our heart and soul into never sees the light of day because it doesn't you know necessarily 100% fit an artist's vision or labels vision for that artist so it is a tough game getting songs plugged That's what it's called like pitched or plugged

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You know, that's why a lot of people write with artists in the room and no shade, but it's kind of interesting because a lot of artists are not really strong writers, you know, they're more performers and singers, but they put them in these rooms and they force them to write, even though I feel like it would be better for them to just receive songs that are written by professionals. But you know, that's why a lot of artists are just like in the room trying to help because, you know,

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helps out kind of their connection with the song. And when they're here and we can ask about their life, it's easier to kind of craft it to them. So yeah, there's definitely songs I love. Like you guys can look up, Okay by Ellie Moore, E-L-L-I.

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is how her first name is spelled. That is my music partner in my team, Lyre, L-Y-R-E, not like pants on fire, like the instruments. So, but she has started releasing music as an artist herself about a couple of years ago. And that song is definitely my favorite that I've done with her. It's just super, super fun. And you know, warning, it's so catchy that it will probably be stuck in your head for a long time. So if you don't want like a little jingling thing

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the back of your brain, maybe don't listen to it. But yeah, that's definitely one of my favorites. And it isn't like the biggest song I've done by any means, but it's just one that matters a lot to me because it really encapsulated her story and she's my best friend. So it matters a lot to me.

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Who's your favorite, I'm gonna give you, favorite mainstream artist, any genre, and maybe favorite, whether, and K-pop is certainly getting mainstream, whether it's K-pop, whether it's off the radar, who's a favorite or inspirational mainstream artist and then maybe one off the radar? That is such an interesting question. I feel like a lot of people ask me, who do you listen to? And I- It's kind of that question, but it's kinda, not only what do you listen to,

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Maybe what inspires you a little bit. Yeah, yeah, I think, you know, this is an interesting answer again, but a lot of what I listen to are demos. There are unreleased songs that are mine or my friend's songs. So I end up listening to a lot of stuff that isn't out there anywhere. So a lot of that stuff inspires me because I think like that is what I'm listening to is like the next wave. It hasn't even been released yet. So a lot of like the freshest kind of ideas from the writers directly is what I really enjoy.

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stuff that's out there. I'm very like old school. I love stuff that I grew up with and that's the stuff like that brings me the most like catharsis really and joy as much as I'd love a lot of new artists and pop like Jolipa really Irish.

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I personally just don't feel that level of connection, that I felt when I was a teenager, listening to Michael Jackson, for example, or to Alicia Keys, artists like that. So for me, it's definitely like- Lauren Hill, may I? Yes, Lauren Hill. Yeah, a lot of the kind of like 90s, 2000s stuff is what I grew up with. So that's what I'm passionate about. But, ah.

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as far as underground. I still want to keep plugging my partner Ellie more. Yeah, it's a lot of just kind of my friends music. There's a really fantastic band called Stereo Jane that I'm friends with. I don't write for them, so this is not me plugging my own stuff. They're pretty like rock.

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say is their genre. And it's just really, really cool. It's two girls, one is a drummer, one is a singer. They're both amazing and they write their own music. And it's, yeah, I think it's pretty underground still for them, but their music is amazing. So if you guys want to check them out, they're great. What's up?

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You know, we talked about the social media avenue. I mean, can you as an, can, when I say you, I mean, a person, an artist, I mean, can artists go 100% independent now? I mean, like, are we at that pinnacle? Like, I mean, if they're good enough and they, you know, have a team and, you know, or whatever that, that production, songwriting, all of that stuff that comes together, between TikTok, between self-production, between I can upload it to Spotify,

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point where you could be a go there or is it still kind of necessary to be signed? Okay so I'll give you guys some truths. Some of them are fun, some of them are not fun.

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I definitely think none of us have any clue, whether it's people that are independent or people that are work managers or working for labels. It's definitely such, there's like an element of magic to this, right? Sometimes things just really, really work. Sometimes they work on a smaller level, sometimes they don't work. And sometimes they work with a delay, you know, because even like the song I mentioned, Okay, by Ellie Moore, that song's been, you know, kind of trudging along like a couple of hundred thousand

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something, 100,000 views on Spotify. And then it got picked up by the show, Bold Type, and it was featured in the background of one of the episodes, and it's just growing like 100,000 plays a month now. So it's, and it's been two years since the song's been released. So it's one of those things that it's really hard to know even if something is working. I do think labels still definitely have more.

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than independent artists. I mean, just being super real, like they definitely have most of the play listing on Locke for Apple Music and for Spotify. There is a portion, a small portion that's dedicated to independent artists. And you know, we're all fighting for that little chunk. And it is a little bit, a lot of it tough to get into these editorial playlists. I will say that.

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I do think though that it is 100% possible to have a viable independent career because I've seen people do it, right? With enough of promotion on your own, with enough Facebook ads run, with enough TikTok exposure, it's definitely all possible. I would just say that it probably takes.

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time these days. And I think we're going to see a lot more of this in the future too, of people that have just kind of been building underground for a while and then it kind of reaches a tipping point and then it really explodes. You know, and that's when they kind of get like the labels coming, like knocking on their door asking to work with them. So I do think it is possible and I'm actually kind of excited about it because I think back in the day everything was a little bit more tied up.

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right? Like there weren't a lot of opportunities. I mean, maybe like go on American Idol. Like that was like an opportunity for an artist. But there weren't as many kind of these self-sufficient opportunities and there are now. So I think we're going to see a lot of artists that

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you know, maybe a little bit older than we're used to seeing, because we're used to seeing basically kids, like teenagers, early 20s, people that just got signed to a label really young have been building since they're like 11, you know, and they got this opportunity. But I think we're going to see a lot more people in their late 20s and their 30s and their 40s that have been building their own brand and building their own platform and fan base doing really well on this independent level. And I will say there are a lot of opportunities, especially if you...

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are somebody that can write and produce their own stuff as well because you know you end up keeping

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100% of your master, which is, you know, your recording. Not to get into like all of these kinds of technical things. But yeah, you get to keep a lot of your money where a record label would pretty much take all of it or most of it, or they would make you recoup all your promotional costs as well. So I think it's definitely like a very tough thing. And I wouldn't encourage people to like jump into any sort of deals if they're new and they don't have like professional help. I think like building on your own learning

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in like a more paced way is a much better thing in the beginning. You know, and as you get more experienced, you'll be a lot more.

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you'll be just in a better place to be able to call these decisions because it is, it's definitely one of the most confusing businesses, I think, because I have people that do, you know, friends that do other things. And I hear about how much more straightforward their careers are. And I'm always like, wow, OK, not not here. So but I am excited about all of these opportunities that are in front of us now. Where does.

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live music come in to play with today's world? I mean, and remove, I know it's hard to, especially being in California where it's been a little more locked down than it is in say South Carolina, though we've had our ups and downs with COVID. But if it's possible to put COVID to the side, where does live music and getting in front of people play on this type of stuff, of your type of music and the type of music that we're talking about?

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Man, that's a great question. I definitely don't know if I'm the expert to speak on this, because I haven't had as much experience with live music as I have had with things in the studio. I definitely do know that people still love concerts. There is a huge, huge demographic of people out there that have been suffering through COVID because they can't go to concerts. It's one of their favorite things to do is to experience their favorite artists live. And from my kind of perspective, even with K-pop,

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I know that their live show is so incredibly important to them. A lot of the kind of briefs I get from record labels and the songs they're looking for, they always include great for life performance, danceable beat, you know, because those fans, there's something so magical about experiencing those types of songs, you know, when the band is singing and they're dancing and there's all of this kind of stage production going on. I just think it's irreplaceable and it's, I don't think it's ever gonna go away.

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It's a very important component. Yeah. What? Transitioning to the latest EP.

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Your first and latest, I guess we should say. Yes it is. Producing so long, like, 2016, first single, Grown Fucking Woman. Just kind of enjoy saying it, you know what I mean? I mean, you know, like, you are a grown fucking woman, you know? Like, you've been doing all this stuff. Like, you know? Like, it's an empowerment song, right? I mean, I was born two days ago, but maybe not yesterday. Like, you know, I get it. I get it, you're living and breathing it. It's great.

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about it. What was the inspiration? I almost can back my way into the first, to the track, but maybe for the EP as a whole. Okay. So.

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This is kind of an interesting thing. So I wanted to be an artist since I moved to the States. You know, I moved here and I was like, I'm going to be a singer. I'm going to be a singer, you know, and of course, coming from Russia, not knowing any single person, having no money. It was kind of a tough call. And I didn't realize how tough of a call it was going to be. I was very confident and I was just like, I'm going to do it. I'm talented. You know, and I.

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I realized after quite a long time that it was a really difficult thing to do and that there's a lot of elements that need to come together that aren't just raw talent, right? Because...

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I definitely am not somebody that knocks raw talent. I think it's extremely important. And for people that I work with, artists, I always get excited when I discover somebody that I think has incredible raw talent. But I do also know that honing that talent and having...

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Development for it is extremely crucial. And one kind of like shade I'll throw at our industry is that there really isn't artist development. Back in the day, like 90s, there used to be like a whole department basically devoted to developing artists, right? Getting them in the studio with professional producers and writers and finding their sound, even singing on a microphone, that is not a natural skill.

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That is a skill that needs to be developed. I work with people all the time that are.

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like a great live singer and they don't really know how to sing on a microphone if they're new at studio recording, right? And I have to coach them through that. But when I was starting out, I didn't have anybody to coach me and I didn't have anybody to produce my music. It was one of those things, you know, and this is just a reality of it. To get with good people, good producers and writers, you have to pay them in the beginning because they can't make money off of you for probably quite a long time, like just to kind of like give you guys a little bit of reality.

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You know, even something that streams a million plays is not even covering like a normal production fee for a producer. So, you know, if you stream anything less than that, like that's really not covering the expenses of your team, right? So that's why new producers, I mean, new artists.

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have to kind of either work themselves into situations where they're working with somebody new who's also developing as a producer and writer, or you just have to kind of gather a budget. So, and my thing was, you know, I was an immigrant, like I didn't have $3. I didn't have thousands of dollars to pay for artist development. So I kind of had to figure out how to do that myself. And that's when I started producing. At one point, you know, I kind of was just like, let me see what I can do with this.

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be that hard, right?

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Fast forward 10 years, I got good at it. Hey, practice makes perfect. Exactly, exactly. So, you know, I did have like a rocky start with that and I never could pretty much release music because a lot of what I created by myself at that time or, you know, with some of the newer people that I could afford working with, it just really wasn't on par with where it needed to be and I could tell. So what I did a lot is just make music and not release it, make music and not release it.

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It was definitely very frustrating. And I think it kind of came to head for me in Nashville because at that point I really did know what I was doing. You know, I have been doing it for quite a long time at that point. And I created this country music, back to country music, which I still think is great. I would love to have somebody sing it. If any country artists are listening, hit me up.

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But it was a lot of songs that are talking about, you know, high heels and flipping your hair and, you know, we can put you in a wig, right? We'll send it. We'll we'll connect after this. I know a few, we might could send them to amazing. So, but yeah, I mean, as it be, I was really excited about, you know, I had a professional team at that point, publishing like management, all of that. They were very excited about it.

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couple of record labels in Nashville and everybody was like, we don't really understand this project. Like she's not American, she's not Southern. Like, you know, like how real is this? You know, and they kind of called it because I was totally putting on a fake country accent when I was singing. It really wasn't authentic to me. So I am really glad that didn't happen for me because if it did, I'd be sitting here, you know, talking to you like this, like putting on a really fake accent,

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I don't want to do. I might give you some of mine. I don't know if it has transferative properties. Just like mine. Mine melted. So I'm really glad that didn't happen, and everybody kind of turned me down and it kind of put me on a different path. I moved to LA, I worked on all this pop and K-pop and it was much happier. But I think it was one of those things, once I moved here, I pretty much gave up on being an artist and I kind of felt like, oh, I'm too old. I'm like 29, 30, whatever I was at the time.

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I was like, I don't think I can start an artist project now. And I've been through so much too with it, trying to figure it out on my own that I was like, I'm done, I don't wanna do this. Like I am traumatized, I'm done. So, and then basically a year ago, I kind of started just writing songs. You know, it was COVID, COVID just hit. And I was like, ah, you know, all my sessions got canceled. Nobody's coming to the studio, I got nothing to do. So I'm gonna just sit down and write some songs just for fun.

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I saw that what was coming out was very much personal and very like my real stories and I kind of had this moment of catharsis of like this is the artist that I've always wanted to be. This is what I wanted to say but wasn't brave enough to say. This is how I wanted to sing but couldn't figure it out because I didn't have the skills.

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Right? This is what I wanted to write, but couldn't figure out a way to do it. Because yet again, I didn't have the skills. So it was just this moment of like, oh, musically, like everything came together, like my experience and just my growth as a human being to like even that whole experience of being so fake and trying to be something I'm not like I basically ended up putting all of that into this project. So, you know, and then I started releasing the music bit by bit and.

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realized that it felt really rewarding and it was great to talk about all of these different things. Like there's a song called Girl That Was Perfect. It's about an eating disorder that I've been through. It's not as dark as it sounds. It's actually kind of like a bop. Or even a song like Grown Fucking Woman where I talk about just all the different challenges I've been through, like immigration and even some of my time in Nashville. I've kind of tucked some of those lyrics in where anybody might...

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most people probably wouldn't even realize like what I'm talking about. But for me, it's really important and feels very, uh, like freeing to just talk about what I want, you know? And then there's like songs like Hollywood heart, which are talking about basically LA and kind of like mentality here and the mentality of always chasing success and kind of the never ending cycle of that. So yeah, for me.

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I'm really excited just to be able to put things like that out there because as a producer writer, I'm always catering to others and what they wanna say, which is great, which is what I think every producer writer should do. You shouldn't impose your kind of artistry on other people, but it is good for me to have this outlet for myself, for sure. I love it.

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Where can everybody keep up or find the album? Obviously Google, Alina Smith, all of this stuff comes up. It's your own Apple Music, Spotify, all the channels, right? Yeah, I'm on all of those things. If you wanna kind of follow my personal journey, it's the Alina Smith, it's A-L-I-N-A on Instagram. If you are more of a producer writer that kind of needs more tips and help, actually my other Instagram page is Lyre Official, L-Y-R-E.

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And there I pretty much exclusively post content for producers, writers, artists, singers, that's catered to helping them grow and tips and tricks and stuff like that. So I have two different types of things. So think whatever you want, a la carte. I know. We need like a produced track for the Radcast. I'm going to have to hit you up and be like, all right, what do we got to do here? Get me up. Yeah.

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You got time for a quick segment we call rad or fad. I give you a keyword, you tell me rad or fad. Okay. TikTok. Rad. Oh yeah, all right. Kanye. Fad. Oh, interesting.

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I love Kanye, but you know, some of the misogyny in the lyrics, I'm not a fan. I can see that. I can see that. It's kind of all over the map these days. How about Billie Eilish? Rad. Oh yeah.

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How about the new iPhone 13? There's an iPhone 13. No, yeah, it just came out like yesterday. I'm gonna say, question mark. I don't have an answer on that one. To be determined.

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Alina, it's been a lot of fun. I really appreciate you coming on. It's been a great story, you know, learning about your background and, you know, kind of your perspective on the industry. It's been really enlightening. I really appreciate your time. Of course. Thank you so much for having me. This was so fun. Yeah, great. Well, Alina told you where to find her. Go download her latest track, Grown Fucking Woman, and go find her on Instagram and follow along with her and Lyre. You know where to find us.

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search for Alina Smith, search for Grown Fucking Woman, you'll find all the highlights from today's episode. And you're where to find me, I'm always on Instagram at Ryan Alford. We'll see you next time on the Radcast.