Bulletproof: The Father of Biohacking - Dave Asprey

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Innovation is just laziness. All entrepreneurs are lazy, and I know I just triggered everyone. Seriously, you're listening to show you are so lazy because you want to do a better job with less work. That's the definition of lazy. You're listening to the ride cast, a top 25 worldwide business podcast. If it's radical, we cover it.

First fucking e-commerce sale? Well, I mean, dude. Like, I didn't do that. Believe it or not, my first... Actually, this wasn't my first company, because when you're a teenager, you do all sorts of crazy stuff, if you're an entrepreneur. But I was in my college dorm and I just needed to pay my tuition. So I started a company selling t-shirts. I said, caffeine, my drug of choice. And they had a picture of the caffeine molecule. That's it right there in my arm. And I said, caffeine, my drug of choice. And I sold them to 16 countries. And this Rutgers marketing professor was on what today you'd call Reddit back then. It was before the browser was invented. So it was called e-snet. And he's saying, no one's ever going to make money on the internet.

And I'm at a state school. So I'm like, yeah, you Mr. Ivy League. You know, I... I hate to tell you this. I'm already making money on the internet. I don't know why I don't know how to school. You got to. I might have been a bit of a jerk when I was a kid. But the next day, the Miami Herald picks it up and calls me and says, hey, is this real? Oh my god, it is. And so they wrote a big article about it. Two weeks later, the first spam in the world came out after that article. And in the article, I warned. So I'm an entrepreneur magazine at this point. And my fat picture, like proof of fat, is being a double extra large D-shirt in entrepreneur.

And to this day, people who saw Joe Rogan try to take me down for money, they'll say, you weren't really fat. I'm like, I don't know. Does entrepreneur magazine enough proof in this? No, it's not enough proof. I'm like, then, you know, you're a douchebag. But the funny thing is that article, I didn't know. I was just trying to... I also scoop ice cream and basketball problems. I was literally trying to make rent and tuition. And that was all it was. But in retrospect, yeah. The first thing I ever sold over the internet, the day before the guys who now run wine.com sold. They should be called virtual vineyards. So it was a very small internet back then. And it's just what scrappy entrepreneurs do.

And in generating before that, I probably had a ham radio or something like that. I don't know what those guys did. But there's always people who are saying, I got to find a way. And I can tell you, for me, getting a job probably wasn't the right way. Although I did have a great career in Silicon Valley. It was pushing against my nature, which is just to be an entrepreneur. They call you the father by the way. I think you're one of the fathers of innovation is what you are. At the end of the day, innovation is why we're alive. Yeah. You go back probably realistically a quarter million, like 250,000 years. And there was two cavemen that looked mostly like us. And one of them said, I found this fire outside.

And I'm going to stay warm and the other ones, it's not fair. And one of those guys is our ancestors and the other one isn't. So innovation is just laziness. It's just, I don't want to do that much work. Can I stay warm without whatever I was doing before? So I'm just lazier than everyone else. All entrepreneurs are lazy. And I know I just triggered everyone. Seriously, you're listening to show, you are so lazy. Because you want to do a better job with less work. That's the definition of lazy. And if you're hard working, you should hire those people. Because they're willing to take a shovel and dig a ditch. And you're the guy who's going to get a tractor and do it and then go out of a beer.

And that's actually normal and healthy and good. So I'm just one of the lazy is my power. And yeah, I can work really hard, but you will not make me work hard unless I have the best tools. Yeah. The tools suck on make new ones. That's what makes the world a better place. So I didn't invent innovation. It's in our cells. It's in our bones. I just maybe am lazier than you. Yeah. Self-deprecation. I'm not buying because I buy that you think that. But lazy is good. And I love it. You got I've interviewed a lot of these. I was like, Jaco's a guy. I respect so much. Jaco will like. And we did a live interview in Arizona. And I work so hard and it's so impressive.

And I'm thinking, yeah, I don't really want to do that. But I do work really hard. Six or seven companies. I've built a hundred million plus your company from scratch. So yeah, clearly I can work hard. I just don't want to. And I do. Yeah. But I want all of the leverage and innovation and tools in order to do it. So it's that capability to work hard that I think is important for you and me and for our listeners. But it's not necessarily the willingness to work hard until you've got the right tools. And that matters for some little subtle thing for me. Maybe more than it does for other people. That's what it is, though. That's what you are is the king of the shortcut.

Like really, because look, your book smarter not harder. A guy to getting the body of mine you want is right down that path, right? It's how do I shortcut not like overworking this or over complicating it? How do I keep it simple stupid? But it's not that hard to get the body you want. Now, I say this is a guy who struggled greatly is the 300 pounds entrepreneur. But the reason I couldn't get the body I wanted is because I had to pay rent. And I had to do my career and all the other stuff that's going on. But if you really wanted to do this, you stop everything and you have an unlimited amount of money and you hire all the experts, right? And you just focus for eight or ten hours a day on getting the body you want.

That's what they do in Hollywood, right? And suddenly you can look like Wolverine. The problem is that doesn't work for you and me because we have kids, we have families, we have jobs, we have responsibilities, we have communities, we're always stuck between this. How hard could it be in the amount of time and energy that we have? It's actually not possible for a lot of people without the right tools and advice. For me, I exercise, you're going to hate me on this 20 minutes a week right now. And I'm 7% body fat. I'm just absolutely stupidly ripped. And I've never looked this good in my life. And that's because of the most recent book and upgrade labs. My exercise is done with AI. It's done with these techniques that give sometimes 90% better results than you go into the gym.

So, same thing. So, I'm trying to sell. So, I knock on all my neighbor's doors and you got there next. I just ran an ad campaign and I did SEO. And one of you is driving the Mauserati. The one isn't. So, I think you should do that for your exercise, for your nutrition and everything else. And suddenly, the energy you get back goes into you. And then you can use that as an entrepreneur. And then teach me that award. And I've made fun of Ivy Leagues early. I have a award in MBA, which is not where you go to learn how to be an entrepreneur. But they never taught you that. Your company is a reflection of your energy. So, if your cells are making energy.

You've done your personal development work. So, first you can make electricity. Then you can direct it where you wanted to go. Your company is generally going to look pretty good. Your culture is going to be okay. And when your energy is off. Your company's energy is off. They're mirrors of each other. And when you understand that, that's why you take care of your hardware. That's why you do whatever kind of meditation or your feedback or whatever practice you have for managing yourself. Because you get those done. The company just follows. You've seen the same thing in your life. Oh, God. 100%. It's like when I, it's a direct reflection. Like when I look in the mirror, I'm just not. When the wires are crossed, it's like a bad.

So an internal bad days, you wake up and you don't feel right. You're groggy and maybe your back hurts. And for me, this was just all of my days when I was younger until I got my biology under control. And then your brain just won't go. You put the accelerator down and the car doesn't move. So you push all the way to the floor and it's moving. If there's no more pushing you can do, then you can't remember things. And you just get that there's like a feeling. You could call it anxiety, but it's not like worry. It's just like your body is not right. And for me, that's usually caused by eating stuff that's not compatible with my biology. Or I slept in a hotel room that was full of artificial fragrances or worse toxic mold.

It's amazing. Like I'm heading to a hotel that I know is full of mold. Every time I sleep there for two nights, I just feel like garbage the next day. So I'm actually. There's just there's nowhere nearby to stay. So I looked at it, but I'm sending myself a $500 air filter. So that I know I'll wake up and I won't have that day. And then I'll send it back to my house when I'm done. I just envisioning day was like spinning an hour, like attaching air filter somewhere. You just plug it in. But it's one of those things where I just don't want to feel that way because that's a wasted day. And with all the neutropics and bio hacks, I can take myself back from most of those days.

I know the levers and knobs say, all right, I'm going to show up today. And it doesn't matter what happened there. I can make it work. But it just might take more effort than it's supposed to. You want to feel like you're like you're skating. There's some glide in there versus if you're you just put it on crampons and walking up an ice cliff. Right. I want the skating sensation of the day. So that's I don't know you're in the South. You've probably never even seen an ice cliff. I've traveled the one, but I have definitely not seen them here. We do have four seasons in the upstate, but very little ice cliffs. So if that's an internal bad day, right? What's an external bad day?

Try getting fired by your board of directors from the company you founded. Try getting divorced. Try moving to a new city. Those are all on the WHO list of stressors. Oh, wait. I used to say that like it had credibility. But never mind screw you guys. You have no credibility anymore. It's on a major list of stressors of humans. And so what's what's going on there is how you handle external stress and things like that. How do you frame? How do you see reality in your head? And do you have the electrical capacity in your cells to handle it? So most entrepreneurs and most humans fail because we suck at making electricity because we broke ourselves. So once you fix that, you can still be dysfunctional because what's happening next is how you see the world is dysfunctional.

And for me, I had all of this wrong with me. And at this point, I've had about 1,500 entrepreneurs come through my neuroscience company. It's called 40 years is end and I built it for my own brain. So I've got a neuroscientist. We've got seven patents in different types of tech that improve your brain function. So you sit there for a week and it's the equivalent of meditating for 20, 30, 40 years. And at the end of this, oh, I've rewritten my operating system so that things that would have been overwhelming are manageable. So you learn how to tune it. So all of a sudden, more power less waste on ineffective views of the world. And then you can handle an enormous amount. An enormous amount.

It doesn't mean you want to. It means you can't. So the capacity for hard work is something that I've greatly value. My willingness to work hard is something I greatly value. If I have to work hard all the time, it means I suck at managing my life. Fascinating. What throws you off now? Then is it just purely a travel, not controlling maybe variables outside of your own control? One of the things that I'm working on right now is there's three buckets. Do you know Dan Sullivan's work? Yep. Mr. Teacher Coach. Yep. So I did some work with Dan and I greatly appreciate him. He's taught me so much. And there's three buckets. There's the stuff that takes your energy that you hate. There's stuff that you're willing to do.

It's neutral. You don't like it. You're like paying bills or something maybe if you don't mind paying bills. And then there's stuff that gives you energy. Right. So entrepreneurs in particular, we like to do the stuff that gives us energy. And we're willing to do a little bit of that stuff in the middle. And the stuff that takes your energy is just kryptonite. I want to spend more time on the stuff that I like to do. Problem is running several companies. I've got upgrade labs. It's my franchise. We've got 27 locations opening across the US now. And you go to own and upgrade labs.com if you want to work with my team on that. On opening your franchise for biohacking. And what's going on with that is okay.

That's one business and it's growing. And then I have the 40 years of Zen, the neuroscience business. And then I've got my media business. And I've got Danger Coffee, my new coffee company, which is really doing well. How do I partition my time between those? When I don't really want to be doing that because I got to work on this next book that's coming out. Are you a BD? You sound like you're busy. But it's not, I don't mind being busy. It's that I want control over my time. So having thinking time and writing time is really difficult for me right now. So I keep working with my EA, who's been with me for a long time. And how do I have space in a day to think or to do versus to be in a meeting?

And that's starting to piss me off a little bit. And I don't really get pissed off that easily. But now look at my calendar, I'm looking at it right now. And today I am literally back to back with no break. I guess I have a half hour before I have an in-person podcast with someone showing up at the studio. And yeah, I'm just back to back the entire day. And I'm talking like no room for peeing. And I don't know how sustainable that is, but I'm doing that for six or seven years. So at a certain point, I'm going to have to pee. Yeah. You've you've hacked your way into figuring out how not to do that. I'm sure. Yeah, right. That's not diapers, right?

I don't know. But I think for a lot of entrepreneurs that I'm so busy is like a mantra of success. And people, how are you? I'm so busy. I'm being busy is a sign that you actually don't know how to manage your shit. That's really what it means. So I don't like that. I don't even talk to myself like I'm so busy. I'm calendar. It doesn't mean I'm busy. And what I'm looking to do is calendar, time, where my brain can do what it wants to do. And I can think about stuff. And I can create things instead of helping others create things. So that's where I'm working right now. So that tells me, dude, you're always going to struggle with that a bit because you are an innovator.

You have to do a few things in order for there to be a coup and you get removed from your own company. That includes letting the fox into the hen house. So I would say most entrepreneurs I've worked with. Do you know Naveen Jane or Vision Lachiani? No. I have not heard those things. So Naveen runs Viome. He's a Forbes list, seven time big exit guy and a dear friend and mentor. And Vision runs Mind Valley, the largest personal element. Definitely know that one. Naveen and Vision. Naveen and Vision and I started it, something called the Apollo group. We're mentoring entrepreneurs. It's a $100,000 mastermind. It's been a lot of quality time with people. It lets you really get inside an entrepreneur's head in addition to the people who've been through 40 years as in,

where we talk about stuff after neuroscience activation kind of feels like plant medicine, but it's just no feedback. I get to go inside not just my head, but other people's heads and really talk about it. Every one of us has hired that one person who just about takes her organization down or does. And you have to build a new one. And so this is the thing entrepreneurs don't talk about enough because it's failure. And talking about failure just makes people it's like talking about death. Why would we ever talk about that? But the reality is it's usually a bad hire. And it's not knowing the pattern of what a narcissist does inside your organization, how they hollow it out, how they break your culture. And I've seen it enough times now.

I found they have the pattern where I can spot them earlier than I used to. And even then it never feels good. Damn it. Did I really do that again with that that Britney Spears song? Oops, I did it again. Yeah. She's doing it over and over again. I've got the cleanest I've ever had across my whole portfolio in terms of none of that behavior. And I'm thinking about writing a book about it just because it's so difficult to make sure you've got the right people in the right place and that no one's running that little playbook of destruction that they don't even know they're running. Yeah. So that's the scary thing. I've had it. I'm sitting there nodding. I'm thinking to my head, I had this very thing happen about took down two people almost did it.

And they didn't know they were doing it. But because they couldn't control themselves or it was just their behaviors and different things. And look, within the day, we're the leaders. So I'm the fuck up for hiring them. It's on us. Yeah. But I've developed a new technology that works really well on narcissists. And it's called the wood chipper. And you just you feed them right into it. And like they make for fertile soil. I feel so much. Wow. Everybody. Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. Everybody listening is like going either they're doing one or two things. They're going, oh, what is this? Is this some kind of new AI? Or they're like me going, yes, coffee them into the wood chipper. They dare someone watching right now wood chipper.ai.

I'm sure it's not taken and make that the AI that finds the narcissists in your company so you can fire them right now. Oh, shit. And I remember years ago, I was at, I think it was a Joe Polish events, the genius network. Joe Polish. And I met a guy named Ken and we were talking. I was talking about this behavior set from one of my execs back when I was running bullet proof. It just didn't feel right. And he looks at me and he goes, fire her right now. And I go, I go, what? He goes, look, he goes, are we going to use my phone or your phone? What are you talking about? And I said, okay, how did you learn all this stuff?

I felt like who mentored you? He goes, Jack Welch. And Jack was the chairman of GD, like one of those bad ass executives of the last hundred years. I called him one day and asked him a good question and we got to be friends. Holy crap. He was right. If I had taken his advice and just picked up the phone and I said, but I can't, I need this person for this. If a bus hit him, what would happen? And so I teach my execs that to this day. Like if a bus were to hit someone you think you need, would the company die and they go, no. All right. Then in this case, a bus just did hit him because we need to get rid of them because they're harming the culture.

And that was a really big shift for me. And I've also learned, if you feel like you're going to die, you feel like you're going to die. Not just the company would work hard, but you can't make it without them. They're almost certainly a narcissist because they do things that you and I can't see because we're normal people. And they do that to make you feel that way. And they're not even manipulating you on purpose. They're unaware they're doing it too. Right. And then so if you catch that feeling, that's a really good sign. Someone's not right. It's different than gratitude. Graduates, man, I'm so grateful. This person's here like every day of my life is easier. They're doing such a great job. That's awesome.

But when you think about them being gone, if like your heart ceases up, like, God, we just can't make it without them. And there's fear. You're probably being manipulated and they don't even know they're doing it. That's why in our system so dangerous. You don't they don't know in their mind. Like you could literally see an artist they're standing there. They're in a locked room. They're holding a knife and there's bodies everywhere and they're covered in blood. And you say, you you establish people they go, it wasn't me. And you're like, it couldn't have been anyone else. Yeah, it wasn't me because I'm a good person. Therefore, it couldn't be me. Because their story about being a good person made them blind to their actions.

Understanding this is going on and they're a victim of their childhood and things like that really helps. And so just realizing got to get rid of them. That is sometimes the most important piece of advice I can give to an entrepreneur is clean out your organization. If people don't feel right, they're not right. And it's okay. It's not your job to fix them. Powerful words, my friend. Talk about Dave Asprey, the father of biohacking. Want to talk about the 10th annual biohacking conference here in the second day. But speaking of biohacking, there's no better biohacking for the skin than called air lab. This is the premium non toxic skin care for men, clinically proven and wild harvested in Jackson, Wyoming. Look, this doesn't just happen.

Yeah. You got to start out and you got a brush your teeth with organic clay. And you have to brush it in an odd number, according to Fibonacci's sequence. Okay. There's no one morning routine that's going to work for everyone. Some people are meant to wake up at 4 a.m. You're one of those early bird people. In my part of the world, the early bird works for the late bird, because we hire you to wake up early. Yeah. Okay. So maybe that doesn't work. So you got to do what works for your biology, but there are some things that are common for everyone. Right now, there's two supplements that you take before you do the expensive neutropics, before you take the libido and testosterone, stimulating or whatever, the things you're interested in.

And one of them is called vitamin Dake and vitamin D-A-K-E. And funny enough, yes, you can go to vitamindake.com right now. This is something that I created. And this is a set of four fast soluble vitamins that your body cannot change and adapt if you don't have these. If you have those and you have minerals 101, also on the same site, so vitamindake.com. The combination of fast soluble vitamins and broad spectrum minerals equals when there's a stress the body can adapt. Otherwise, if there's a stress and you're lacking minerals, it doesn't matter if the body wants to adapt. If you're lacking chromium or vanadium or boron or zinc or copper, the body doesn't have raw materials. It's like you wanted to manufacture whatever your company manufactures, but you're missing an ingredient, but you had orders.

You had money that came in the door, but you're not making it. Your body is the same way. So if people would just get mineral sufficiency and they would get the fast soluble vitamins that tell the minerals where to go, now you've taken the gloves off and you can start saying, all right, I'm going to take a new tropic. So I take those every single morning. I get my broad spectrum minerals in. I sound like I'm selling my own stuff because I am because I'm an entrepreneur and because it works because I built it because I couldn't buy it. I got a danger coffee. Danger coffee has the very broad spectrum trace minerals and electrolytes in it and it tastes like the world's most amazing coffee.

I did not spoil the flavor with weird mushroom cannabis extra acts or some other crap like that. You can take those and pills if you want to. What that is danger coffee for trace minerals 101 for the broad spectrum minerals and vitamin Dake. You start with that. Should you have breakfast? I don't care. Yes, I've written a major book, actually two major books on intermittent fasting, but you can skip breakfast if you need that kind of input today. If you over skip breakfast because you think skipping breakfast is what good people do, then you'll probably over fast. You know what happens to people when they over fast? They lose too much weight. If only I would have loved it if fasting. It turns out if you fast too much, you probably won't keep losing weight.

In fact, you might stop losing weight. So here's the first thing. It's different for men and women because women hit the wall first, but the first thing is you start getting low quality sleep. So if you just traveled around the world, maybe you ran a marathon because you're a masochist. You can find a good idea. Get a motorcycle, dude. Yeah. Anyway, lecture scooter. Man, I just just off everyone, but I'm just kidding. I appreciate if you run a marathon to show your tough. If you run 50 of them, you're probably not treating your body well. And he's hurting us. So we're talking about, I don't know, you're asking me some other stuff there. You're a success stack. Everything. I want to know what's in there.

I'm trying to, I'm trying to right now just get a picture for people. All right, I'm going to back up a little bit. If you, if you're working on what to do in the morning, you do those things. You have breakfast or you don't have breakfast. If you don't have enough breakfast for women and men, our sleep goes away. If you're tracking your sleep on an aura ring or a hoop or something like that. Great. If you're not, let me just pause for a second. dumbass. At this point, if you're not waking up getting your heart rate variability, readiness score from whatever your tech is, why are you not doing that? It is so cheap. It's so easy. And this tells you whether what you're doing is working in total.

Just like you look at your bank statement. At the end of the month or the end of the day and go, I wonder what's going on? If you don't do that, you probably won't have a business for very long. So this is how you track whether the sum of what you're doing is working. You're going to see your readiness go down and your sleep quality is going to get worse. Over fasting, over keto or going vegan for a very long period of time, all of those will do that. First is sleep, second for women, they hit it first. They end up having a regular monthly cycles that didn't use to be a regular. For guys, we wake up without a kickstand. And then the thing, if you keep doing it because you know skipping breakfast makes you a good person,

well, then you start shedding hair and men and women both do that. Should you wake up and skip breakfast? If you could use the benefits of intermittent fasting today, yes, there is no ideal fasting window. It depends on your state today. That's why my book is called Fast This Way. And I've taught about 100,000 people how to change their fast. Women have to actually change it based on their monthly cycle. And all of us have to change it based on our stress level. So if you worked out real hard and you lifted heavy and you're not going to eat for 48 hours, you probably didn't do yourself any favors. So I'm just going to tell you the morning, what did you do last night? How are you feeling?

What's your goals for today? And I tune my morning that way. I do take neutropics just about every single day. I take stress adaptogens. I take a handful of longevity enhancing supplements. By the way, I just got my longevity panels back. This is when you measure your chronological age versus your biological age. And in the last year, I lost another year. That means that even though the calendar advanced a year, I went backwards by two years, which is cool. And now, I think 12 years younger than my actual age. This is very confusing, Ryan. Yeah. You think about this. The calendar says I'm 51. But my lab tests say I'm 38 or that's 39. It was 12 years. So if I identify as being 39 and people continue to label me without even asking me my,

you know, my desired in my head age, it's very triggering. You think about it. So every time I fill out my driver's license, my age and stuff like that. And I feel very judged right now. Is there a pronoun for that? Yes. Exactly. It's one of those things where I actually had a guest on my show a while back. And I was someone who was a friend, but it's a little bit on the website of things. And so I was filling out your survey and it had a spot for my gender. But it didn't let me identify my age. And that was followed by this long apology for it. And I was laughing because look, you can't change the date you were born. But your body really can be 10 or 20 years younger by a variety of measures.

I'm a leader in the longevity field. And I'll tell you, if you have a business doing north of a million dollars a year, and you're not spending at least $25,000 a year on being younger, it's because you're bad at math. And even if you think it only has a 50% chance of working, you're still crazy for not doing it. Because imagine this, you get another 20 years of lifespan compound interest for another 20 years. That's going to do for you just that alone. And on top of that, without even looking at compound interest and the things like that, it's the quality of life and the energy you have for all that time. That's worth it because if you want to be able to be a mom or a dad,

you want to be able to be present for your kids and your community and your family. And you want to be able to just do the things that matter in your life. And if you're tired all the time and your body hurts, it sucks. And you're going to yell at your kids and you're going to fire someone who doesn't need firing or you're going to be mean to a partner. It's just, it's not necessary. And that's why longevity matters because you get more now. And you're probably going to get a lot more later. But even if you don't, you'll be glad you did it. I spent 20% of my income since my mid 20s working on that. Yeah, because you don't want to live long.

You want to live long. Like, I don't want to be 90 years old just to be 90. I want to be 90 years old and doing pretty much what I want to be able to do. And if you make all that much, that's what I understand about. In most of the years, I think you've caught on to this successful ones. You're making all this money. And you just provide for your family and to have time and freedom and do all these things. But you aren't going to be around to enjoy the benefits of that, the time benefits, all that. If you aren't taking care of yourself. Many entrepreneurs especially, they're working 90 hour weeks. They're providing for their families and never seeing their families and things like that.

It doesn't, it doesn't feel good. And I've had so many of those guys come in and we sit down and hook electrodes up to their head and see what's going on. And there's actually a lot of, there's a lot of suffering in that. A lot of it. And it's, I did what I was supposed to do here, but I didn't have any funnel on the way. And when you're an entrepreneur or two, everyone's counting on you. And you might have, I certainly do, hundreds of people rely on you for their household income. And that's a serious responsibility. It's a commitment. And so the number of times when, you know, things don't go according to plan, COVID and whatever else. And you have to have that phone call with someone and say, I know you did all you could and I did all I could.

And if we don't have a job anymore, I didn't like these clowns. And sometimes we made a bet or I made a bet, right? And we thought it was going to go this way and it didn't go that way. And that never feels good. And actually it hurts to do that. You're taking on a huge responsibility. And if you're going to be able to bear that weight, you better have that energy now. And most of the time when I tell someone I'm going to live to 180 or more, they think I'm nuts. Hold on a second. There's some assumptions that went into this. Number one, I already know we can do 120 because someone's already done it. And that person couldn't spell DNA because we hadn't been invented.

Didn't have antibiotics for the first part of their life. World War One was fought with horses. Okay, we actually had Calvary. Okay, that person was alive for all that stuff. What the heck? Didn't have airplanes. They had been invented yet. Okay, so computers, AI, all that, nothing. So I'm pretty sure we can do 50% better than that over the next 100 years, unless a comet hits the planet or something like that. Or maybe we'll just spray enough glyphosate and atrazine that humans are unable to reproduce. That I'm more concerned about than I am carbon or something like that. The carbon is a soluble problem. We have this neotechnological cows that make soil that soaks up carbons. I look at these long term problems because I'm going to be around that long

and I'm working on solving them. If you think you're going to die when you're 80, and the last 20 years you're not going to know your name anyway, because you're going to put your car keys in the fridge and you're going to be in a wheelchair with diapers and tubes and all that stuff. That's what most people think getting old is. With skins with thin you can see through it. That's not my world. And if you realize that there are people, I know because I was mentored by these people who are in their 80s and 90s who have an active sex life or having more fun than ever, they actually have wisdom because they stop worrying about all the stuff that we worry about in our 20 and 30 and 40 and 50.

But you have the energy of a young person and the wisdom of an old person. That's a powerful place to be, especially if you still have the body of a 30-year-old. And that's what we're building. There's no reason we can't do this other than some people who think it's not possible, other than some industries that will actively try to block you because it makes you not as good of a pharmaceutical consumer and things like that. But it's going to happen anyway. And the cool thing is if it doesn't happen here in the US, it'll happen in Dubai or Abu Dhabi or Singapore, mid-city in India. And guys, like you and me and your audience, we'll hop on a plane, we'll fly somewhere, and we'll come back with gene therapy.

Oh, wait, I already did that. I got gene therapy six weeks ago, maybe six weeks, maybe two months ago, and that'll take an average of nine years off of your measured age in yourselves from one single injection. So you might say, wait, that's science fiction. No, it's not. I just said a whole two hour podcast on it. And what you can do that. Yeah. I'm now working with that company on other longevity targets. This is reversible. It doesn't get inherited by anyone. But it's already happening. Yes, it's expensive. That's a $25,000 treatment. But if it takes 10 years off your biological age, and some people it takes much more off, if it takes one year off, you would pay 25 grand for a year, I would.

Exactly. And this is, by the way, just Google Dave Asprey gene therapy. I'm sure the episode will come up on my show. But like this stuff is real, and people still think it's real Ryan. And it drives me nuts. I've always lived in the future. I do my best to make it. And you go back to the 90s. No one thought e-commerce was a thing. And there's that article in entrepreneur. And we didn't call it e-commerce because the name e-commerce hadn't been created yet. Like what? Cloud computing didn't have a name. Right? So these are all recent innovations in human history. Right? And it's only getting faster and faster. Every 73 days, the amount of biological information we have about ourselves doubles. No doctor on earth can ever know all of it.

It's coming up. Yeah. Talk about that. Tell me about it. Tell me about it. You 10 years in. What what if people expect? What's it all about? So biohacking is a new word in the English language in 2018. They added it. And it is now a $10 billion plus industry. And I started it at a bar in San Francisco with a hundred people about a decade ago. This is our 10th annual conference end of May 30th June 1st, kind of times, a three day conference in Dallas. Go to biohackingconference.com. Going to be somewhere around 3,000 people. And more than 100 vendors with all this stuff that you use to build the mind, the body, and the performance that you want. There'll be major figures in longevity.

And what to eat to perform well. And just a lot of curiosity, but most of all, a lot of people who are just saying, I am in control of my own biology. And that means if you want to be an entrepreneur, okay, there's some things you probably care about. You want to be a fitness competitor? You care about different things. You want to be the world's best meditator. These are all just different aspects of control to make our hardware and our software do what matters most to us. So you'll come out of there and just be inspired. So we're talking everything from breathwork, some conversations about psychedelics, about other altered stateswork that doesn't require any pharmaceuticals or any plant medicines, all the way down to,

all right, let's have the conversation about why eating some grass-fed meat is probably better than industrial meat it is. And why, if you don't do that at all, you need to at least be a vegetarian, because if you're vegan, it's not going to end well for you. I know this because I was a raw vegan, and it trashed me like it does for most people. Just some real serious conversation about the science, about what's real versus what's marketing, and curiosity and acceptance of whatever the heck it is you're deciding is going to work. Let's talk about it. It'll be the most fun you ever have by ohikingcomers.com. I'm glad you moved it to Dallas from San Francisco. Yeah, there's only one of them in San Francisco.

That's what dangerous people do. They change the world. And it's the safe ones that just say, yes, sir, may I have another? And we just aren't that kind of people or we wouldn't be entrepreneurs. That's why it's called. We've dropped a lot. We'll have all of it in the show notes. Is there a singular site for finding all of this? Have a feeling it might be Dave Asprey. But I want to hear from you. You got it. It's on Dave Asprey.com. And I'm redoing that to make it easier to find stuff. There's 3000 posts. There's 1200 hours of podcast with 400 million downloads. It's a lot of work. So I'm making it easier and easier. And I'm almost done building the Dave bot that has all my content in it.

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