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Innovation is just laziness. All entrepreneurs are lazy. And I know I just triggered everyone. Seriously, if you're listening to the show, you are so lazy because you want to do a better job with less work. That's the definition of lazy.

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Here's your host, Ryan Alford. Hey, guys, what's up? Welcome to the latest edition of the Radcast. We say if it's radical, we cover it. I don't fucking know what's more radical than our next guest. We were talking pre-episode. A lot of you heard of you. We've got a lot of executives. We've got a lot of people that are trying to hack their brains, hack their bodies and to get ahead. We got the fucking father of biohacking, Dave.

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Asprey, what's up, brother? Ryan, I love that intro. You sound like some kind of like 60s shock jock. You got that. Hey, what's up, brother? I had, that's off. I got up my podcast game. It's like substance sizzle or steak. I don't know if that's, I think that might be the sizzle, but I try to bring both. If you've got both, that's the perfect meal. If you've just got sizzle, then you just be an influencer and that would be boring. So you got to have both.

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We're number one in marketing and business on Apple. So I guess we're doing something right. I think so. Yeah. But you know why we're doing something right? Cause we got fucking Dave Asprey on the show and I'm telling you, Dave, we talked pre episode, but we're going to do it again. You inspired me fifth time, 14, 13 years ago. It's been a while. 2010. I'm getting old. I'm 46. And my first nootropic experience on the biohacking blog.

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Your online stuff, you've been talking about this stuff. And I learned about some things before even like researching this for this episode, first fucking e-commerce sale. Dude. Like I didn't know that. Believe it or not. My, my first, actually this was my first company. Cause you know, when you're a teenager, you do all sorts of crazy stuff. If you're an entrepreneur, but I was in my college dorm and I just needed to pay my tuition. So I.

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I started a company selling t-shirts that caffeine, my drug of choice. And they had a picture of the caffeine molecule. That's, that's it right there on my arm. And it said caffeine, my drug of choice. And I sold them to 16 countries. And this Rutgers marketing professor was on what today you'd call Reddit back then. It was before the browser was invented. So it was called use net. And he's saying, no one's ever going to make money on the internet. And I'm at a state school. So I'm like, yeah, you Mr. Ivy league.

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I hate to tell you this, I'm already making money on the internet. I don't know what kind of school you got to. I might have been a jerk when I was a kid. But the next day, the Miami Herald picks it up and calls me and is, hey, is this real? I'm like, yeah, it is. And so they wrote a big article about it. Two weeks later, the first spam in the world.

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came out after that article. And in the article, I warned, like, so I'm in Entrepreneur Magazine at this point, my fat picture, like proof of fat, is me in a double extra large T-shirt in Entrepreneur. And to this day, people who saw Joe Rogan try to take me down for money, they'll say, you weren't really fat. I'm like, I don't know, does Entrepreneur Magazine enough proof? And they're like, no, it's not enough proof. I'm like, then you're a douchebag. But.

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The funny thing is that article, I didn't know. I was just trying to, I also scooped ice cream at Baskin Robbins. I was literally trying to make rent and tuition and that was all it was. But in retrospect, yeah, first thing ever sold over the internet, the day before the guys who now run wine.com sold, they used to be called virtual vineyards. So it was a very small internet back then. And it's just what scrappy entrepreneurs do. And a generation before that, I probably would have had a ham radio or something like that. I don't know what those guys did, but there's always people who are saying, I gotta find a way.

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And I can tell you for me getting a job probably wasn't the right way. Although I did have a great career in Silicon Valley. It was pushing against my nature, which is just to be an entrepreneur. They call you the father of biohacking. I think you're one of the fathers of innovation is what you are at the end of the day. Innovation is why we're alive. Yeah. You go back probably realistically a quarter million, like 250,000 years.

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And there was two cavemen that looked mostly like us. And one of them, Hey, I found this fire outside and I'm going to stay warm. And the other one's, it's not fair. And one of those guys is our ancestor and the other one isn't. So innovation is just laziness. It's just, I don't want to do that much work. Can I stay warm without whatever I was doing before? So I'm just lazier than everyone else. That's what all entrepreneurs are lazy. And I know I just triggered everyone. Seriously, if you're listening to the show, you are so lazy.

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because you want to do a better job with less work. That's the definition of lazy. And if you're hard working, you should hire those people because they're willing to take a shovel and dig a ditch and you're the guys who are going to get a tractor and do it and then go have a beer. And that's actually normal and healthy and good. So I'm just one of the, lazy is my power. And yeah, I can work really hard, but you will not make me work hard unless I have the best tools. Yeah. The tools suck, I'll make new ones. That's what makes the world a better place. So I didn't invent innovation. It's in our cells. It's in our bones.

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I just maybe I'm lazier than you. Yeah, self deprecation. I'm not buying because I buy that you think that. Lazy is good. Like, I love it. You got I've interviewed a lot of these high performers. Like Jaco is a guy I respect so much. Jaco Willick. And we did a live interview in Arizona. And that guy works so hard and it's so impressive. And I'm thinking, man, I don't really want to do that.

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I do work really hard. I have six or seven companies. I built a hundred million plus a year company from scratch. So yeah, clearly I can work hard. I just don't want to. So I do, but I want all of the leverage and innovation and tools in order to do it. So it's that capability to work hard that I think is important for you and me and for our listeners, but it's not necessarily the willingness to work hard until you've got the right tools.

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And that matters for some little subtle thing for me, maybe more than it does for other people. That's what it is though. That's what you are is the king of the shortcut. Like really, because look, your book, Smarter Not Harder, a guide to getting the body of mind you want is right down that path. Right. It's how do I shortcut, not like overworking this or overcomplicating it. How do I keep it simple, stupid? But it's not that hard to get the body you want. Now I say this as a guy who struggled greatly as the 300 pounds.

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entrepreneur. But the reason I couldn't get the body I wanted is because I had to pay, I had to pay rent. And I had to do my career and all the other stuff that's going on. But if you really wanted to do this, you stop everything, and you have an unlimited amount of money and you hire all the experts, right? And you just focus for eight or 10 hours a day on getting the body you want. That's what they do in Hollywood, right? Yeah. And suddenly, you can look like Wolverine.

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The problem is that doesn't work for you and me because we have kids, we have families, we have jobs, we have responsibilities, we have communities. We're always stuck between this. How hard could it be in the, in the amount of time and energy that we have? It's actually not possible for a lot of people without the right tools and advice. For me, I exercise, you're going to hate me on this, 20 minutes a week right now. And I'm 7% body fat. I'm just absolutely stupidly ripped.

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I've never looked this good in my life. And that's because of the most recent book and upgrade labs. My exercise is done with AI. It's done with these techniques that give sometimes 90% better results than you go into the gym. So same thing. So I'm trying to sell. So I knock on all my neighbor's doors and you got there and next to you. I just ran an ad campaign and I did SEO and one of you is driving the Maserati and the other one isn't. So I think you should do that for your exercise. You do that for your nutrition.

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and everything else. And suddenly the energy you get back goes into you. And then you can use that as an entrepreneur. Because it didn't teach me that at Wharton. I'd made fun of Ivy Leagues early. I have a Wharton MBA, which is not where you go to learn how to be an entrepreneur, but they never taught you that. Your company, it's a reflection of your energy. So if your cells are making energy, you've done your personal development work. So first you can make electricity, then you can direct it where you want it to go. Your company...

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is generally going to look pretty good. Your culture is going to be okay. And when your energy's off, your company's energy's off. There are mirrors of each other. And when you understand that, that's why you take care of your hardware. That's why you do whatever kind of meditation or neurofeedback or whatever practice you have for managing yourself. Cause you get those done, the company just follows. Make, you've seen the same thing in your life? Oh God, a hundred percent. It's like when I, it's a direct reflection. Like when I look in the mirror, I'm just not.

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When the wires are crossed, it's like a bad, it's like having to reboot the computer. Like it's not working. It's, I gotta reboot. I gotta get it going if it's not cause it's direct reflection. Talk with Dave Asprey, founder of Bulletproof Coffee, which we're gonna talk about here shortly. But Dave, I think people, what are the biggest questions I wanted to ask you, or believe it or not, like, what's a bad day for Dave Asprey? What I know, I think, you've told us a little bit what drives you.

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But I think for people to think about, okay, he's the father of biohacking. He's always hacking everything. But what's a bad day? What's a cheat for Dave Asprey? There are two kinds of bad days. There's internal bad days and there's external bad days. So in internal bad days, you wake up and you don't feel right. You're groggy and maybe your back hurts. And for me, this was just all of my days when I was younger.

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until I got my biology under control. And then your brain just won't go. You put the accelerator down and the car doesn't move. So you push all the way to the floor and it's moving. If there's no more pushing you can do, then you can't remember things. And you just get that, there's like a feeling, you could call it anxiety, but it's not like worry. It's just like your body is not right. And for me, that's usually caused by eating stuff that's not compatible with my biology. Or I slept in a hotel room.

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that was full of artificial fragrances or worse toxic mold. It's amazing. Like I'm heading to a hotel that I know is full of mold. Every time I sleep there for two nights, I just feel like garbage the next day. So I'm actually shipping out. Stay somewhere else. I tried, there's just, there's nowhere nearby to stay. So I looked at it, but I'm sending myself a $500 air filter.

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so that I know I'll wake up and I won't have that day and then I'll send it back to my house when I'm done. I just, whatever. Turn the bus around. I just envision Dave Asprey like spending an hour like attaching air filter somewhere. You just plug it in. Oh. But it's one of those things where I just don't want to feel that way because that's a wasted day. And with all the nootropics and biohacks, I can take myself back from most of those days.

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pretty easy. I know the levers and knobs say, all right, I'm going to show up today. And it doesn't matter what happened there, I can make it work, but it just might take more effort than it's supposed to. You want to feel like you're like you're skating, there's some glide in there. Versus if you're you just putting on crampons and walking up an ice cliff. I want the skating sensation of the day. So that's

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I know you're in the South, you've probably never even seen an ice cliff, but you know what I'm talking about? I've traveled to one, but I have definitely not seen them here. We do have four seasons in the upstate, but very little ice cliffs. If that's an internal bad day, right? What's an external bad day? Try getting fired by your board of directors from the company you founded. Try getting divorced. Try moving to a new city.

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those are all on the WHO list of stressors. Oh wait, I used to say that like it had credibility of the WHO list of stressors. Oh shit, yes. But nevermind, screw you guys, you have no credibility anymore. Zero. Anyway, it's on a major list of stressors of humans. And so what's going on there is how you handle external stress and things like that. That's...

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a function of how do you frame, how do you see reality in your head? And do you have the electrical capacity in your cells to handle it? So most entrepreneurs and most humans fail because we suck at making electricity because we broke ourselves. So once you fix that, you can still be dysfunctional because what's happening next is how you see the world is dysfunctional. And for me, I had all of this wrong with me. And at this point, I've had about 1500 entrepreneurs

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come through my neuroscience company. It's called 40 Years Is End, and I built it for my own brain. So I've got a neuroscientist. We've got seven patents in different types of tech that improve your brain function. So you sit there for a week, and it's the equivalent of meditating for 20, 30, 40 years. And at the end of this, oh, I've rewritten my operating system so that things that would have been overwhelming are manageable.

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So you learn how to tune it. So all of a sudden more power, less waste on ineffective views of the world. And then you can handle an enormous amount, an enormous amount. It doesn't mean you want to. It means you can't. So the capacity for hard work is something that I greatly value. My willingness to work hard is something I greatly value. If I have to work hard all the time, it means I suck at managing my life.

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Fascinating. What throws you off now then? Is it just purely travel, not controlling maybe variables outside of your own control? One of the things that I'm working on right now is there's three buckets. Do you know Dan Sullivan's work? Yep. Strategic coach? Yep. So I did some work with Dan and I greatly appreciate him. He's taught me so much. And

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There's three buckets. There's the stuff that takes your energy that you hate. There's stuff that you're willing to do. It's neutral. You don't like it, don't hate it. You like paying bills or something maybe if you don't mind paying bills. And then there's stuff that gives you energy, right? So entrepreneurs in particular, we like to do the stuff that gives us energy. And we're willing to do a little bit of that stuff in the middle. And the stuff that takes your energy is just kryptonite.

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I want to spend more time on the stuff that I like to do. Problem is running several companies. I've got upgrade labs. That's my franchise. We've got 27 locations opening across the U S now. And you go to own and upgrade labs.com. If you want to work with my team on that, on opening a franchise for biohacking. And what's going on with that is okay. That's one business.

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and it's growing. And then I have this 40 years of Zen, the neuroscience business, and then I've got my media business, and I've got Danger Coffee, my new coffee company, which is really doing well. How do I partition my time between those when I don't really wanna be doing that? Cause I gotta work on this next book that's coming out. Are you ADD? You sound like you're busy, but it's not, I don't mind being busy. It's that I want control over my time. So having thinking time and writing time,

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is really difficult for me right now. So I keep working with my EA, who's been with me for a long time, on how do I have space in a day to think, or to do versus to be in a meeting? And that's starting to piss me off a little bit. And I don't really get pissed off that easily, but now I look at my calendar, I'm looking at it right now. And today I am literally back to back.

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with no break, I guess I have a half hour before I have an in-person podcast with someone showing up at the studio. And yeah, just back to back the entire day. And I'm talking like no room for peeing. And I don't know how sustainable that is, but I've been doing that for like six or seven years. So at a certain point, I'm gonna have to pee.

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Yeah. You've, you've hacked your way into figuring out how not to do that. I'm sure. Yeah. Astronaut diapers. Right. I don't know, but I think for a lot of entrepreneurs that I'm so busy is like a mantra of success and people, how are you? I'm so busy. I'm being busy is a sign that you actually don't know how to manage your shit. That's really what it means. So I don't like that. I even talk to myself like I'm so busy. I'm calendar. It doesn't mean I'm busy.

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And what I'm looking to do is calendar time where my brain can do what it wants to do and I can think about stuff and I can create things instead of helping others create things. So that's where I'm working right now. So that tells me you're always gonna struggle with that a bit because you are an innovator and because you're always pushing the envelope. I feel like you can always hire people to manage what you create and what you've ideated.

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But when you continue to innovate, they don't know what's in your head until you systemize it. So something tells me you're always gonna struggle with that a bit because of that factor, right? It's definitely something that's come up. The other thing is the more people you manage or the more people you hire to do your stuff, the more likely you're gonna come across a narcissist or two or three. And if you don't spend enough time watching,

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to see if good people have gone bad or whether you just made a really bad hire. At this point, I think I might be the king of hiring the wrong people. You have to do a few things in order for there to be a coup and for you to get removed from your own company. That includes letting the fox into the hen house. So I would say most entrepreneurs I've worked with and do you know Naveen Jain or Vishen Lakhiani? No.

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I have not heard those things. So Naveen runs Viome. He's a Forbes list, seven time big exit guy and a dear friend and mentor. And, uh, vision runs mind Valley, the largest personal development. Definitely know that one. Naveen and Vish, Naveen and vision. And I started at something called the Apollo group and we're mentoring entrepreneurs since a hundred thousand dollar mastermind. It's been a lot of quality time with people.

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It lets you really get inside an entrepreneur's head in addition to the people who've been through 40 years of Zen where we talk about stuff after neuroscience activation, kind of feels like plant medicine, but it's just neurofeedback. I get to go inside, not just my head, but other people's heads and really talk about it. Every one of us has hired that one person who just about takes your organization down or does, and you have to build a new one. And so this is the thing entrepreneurs don't talk about enough because it's failure, and you're talking about failure.

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It just makes people, it's like talking about death. Why would we ever talk about that? But the reality is it's usually a bad hire and it's not knowing the pattern of what a narcissist does inside your organization, how they hollow it out, how they break your culture. And I've seen it enough times now, I finally have the pattern where I can spot them earlier than I used to. And even then it never feels good, damn it.

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Did I really do that again with that Britney Spears song? Oops, I did it again. Yeah. But I've got the cleanest I've ever had across my whole portfolio in terms of none of that behavior and I'm thinking about writing a book about it just because it's so difficult to make sure you've got the right people in the right place and that no one's running that little playbook of destruction that they don't even know they're running. Yeah. That's the scary thing. I've had it.

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I'm sitting here nodding. I'm thinking in my head, I had this very thing happen about took down two people. Almost did it. And they didn't know they were doing it, but cause they're, it was, they couldn't control themselves or it was just their behaviors and different things. And look, at the end of the day, we're the leaders. So I'm the fuck up for hiring them. Yeah. But I've developed a new technology that works really well on narcissists. And it's called the wood chipper.

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And you just you feed them right into it and they make for fertile soil. And I feel so good. You laugh. Everybody. Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. And everybody listening is like going either they're doing one or two things. They're going, oh, what is this? Is this some kind of new AI? Or they're like me going, yes, can I feed them into the woodchipper? I dare someone watching right now.

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Woodchipper.ai, I'm sure it's not taken. Make that the AI that finds the narcissist in your company so you can fire them right now. And I remember years ago, I was at, I think it was a Joe Polish event, the genius network, Joe Polish. And I met a guy named Ken and we were talking, I was telling him about this behavior set from one of my execs, back when I was running Bulletproof, it just didn't feel right. And he looks at me and he goes,

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fire her right now. And I go, what? He goes, look, he goes, are we going to use my phone or your phone? And like, what are you talking about? And I said, okay, how did you learn all this stuff? Like who mentored you? He goes, Jack Welch. And you know, Jack was the chairman of GE, like one of the bad ass executives of the last hundred years. How did you do that? He was like, I called him one day and asked him a good question and we got to be friends. Holy crap.

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He was right. If I'd have taken his advice and just picked up the phone and I said, but I can't, I need this person for this. He goes, if a bus hit him, what would happen? And so I teach my execs that to this day, like if a bus were to hit someone you think you need, um, would the company die? And they go, no, all right. Then in this case, a bus just did hit him because we need to get rid of them because they're harming the culture. And.

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That was a really big shift for me. And I've also learned if you feel like you're going to die, literally, you feel like you're going to die. Not just the company would work hard, but you can't make it without them. They're almost certainly a narcissist because they do things that you and I can't see because we're normal people. And they do that to make you feel that way. And they're not even manipulating you on purpose. They're unaware they're doing it too. Right. And then, so if you catch that feeling, that's a really good sign.

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something's not right. It's different than gratitude. Gratitude is, man, I'm so grateful this person's here. Like every day in my life is easier. They're doing such a great job. That's awesome. But when you think about them being gone, if like your heart seizes up, you're like, God, we just can't make it without them. And there's fear, you're probably being manipulated and they don't even know they're doing it. That's why narcissists are so dangerous. You don't, they don't know.

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in their mind, you could literally see a narcissist, they're standing there, they're in a locked room, they're holding a knife and there's bodies everywhere and they're covered in blood. And you say, you stab those people, they go, it wasn't me. And you're like, it couldn't have been anyone else. Yeah, it wasn't me because I'm a good person, therefore it couldn't be me. Right? Because their story about being a good person made them blind to their actions. Understanding this is going on, they're a victim of their childhood and things like that really helps.

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And so just realizing, got to get rid of them. That is sometimes the most important piece of advice I can give to an entrepreneur is clean out your organization. If people don't feel right, they're not right. And it's okay, it's not your job to fix them. Powerful words, my friend. Talk with Dave Asprey, the father of biohacking. Want to talk about the 10th annual biohacking conference here in a second, Dave. But speaking of biohacking, there's no better biohacking for the skin.

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that makes you look younger and ultimately makes you feel better. That is called our lab. Talk to me. A lot of people listening know who you are. They probably know your products, but is there, what's the, I'm sure we could talk three hours on this, but what's the success stack for Dave Asprey? I want to get tangible with what's in Dave's tech, like the stack. And I'm talking about the minerals, the coffee, like what's that look like? What's the success? What do I do like on a daily basis? Yeah.

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All right, you got to start out and you got to brush your teeth with organic clay and you have to brush it in an odd number according to Fibonacci's sequence. And okay, there is no one morning routine that's going to work for everyone. Some people are meant to wake up at 4am. You're one of those early bird people. In my part of the world, the early bird works for the late bird.

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because we hire you to wake up early. Yeah. So, okay, so maybe that doesn't work. So you gotta do what works for your biology, but there are some things that are common for everyone. Right now, there's two supplements that you take before you do the expensive nootropics, before you take the libido and testosterone stimulating or whatever the things you're interested in. And one of them is called vitamin DAKE.

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vitamin D A K E and funny enough yes you can go to vitamin Dake.com right now. This is something that I created and this is a set of four fat soluble vitamins that your body cannot change and adapt if you don't have these. If you have those and you have minerals 101 also on the same site so vitamin Dake.com the combination of fat soluble vitamins and broad spectrum minerals equals when there's a stress the body can adapt.

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Otherwise, if there's a stress and you're lacking minerals, it doesn't matter if the body wants to adapt. If you're lacking chromium or vanadium or boron or zinc or copper, the body doesn't have raw materials. It's like you wanted to manufacture whatever your company manufactures, but you're missing an ingredient, but you had orders. You had money that came in the door, but you're not making it. Your body's the same way. So if people would just get mineral sufficiency.

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and they would get the fat soluble vitamins that tell the minerals where to go. Now you've taken the gloves off and you can start saying, all right, I'm gonna take a nootropic. So I take those every single morning. I get my broad spectrum minerals in. I sound like I'm selling my own stuff because I am, because I'm an entrepreneur and because it works, because I built it, because I couldn't buy it. I go to Danger Coffee. Danger Coffee has the very broad spectrum trace minerals and electrolytes in it and it tastes.

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like the world's most amazing coffee. I did not spoil the flavor with weird mushroom, cannabis extracts or some other crap like that. You can take those in pills if you want to. What that is, Danger Coffee for Trace Minerals 101 for the broad spectrum minerals and Vitamin Dake. You start with that. Now, should you have breakfast? I don't care. Yes, I've written a major book, actually two major books on intermittent fasting, but.

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You can skip breakfast if you need that kind of input today. If you over skip breakfast because you think skipping breakfast is what good people do, then you'll probably over fast. You know what happens to people when they over fast? Lose too much weight. If only, I would have loved it if fasting made me. It turns out if you fast too much, you probably won't keep losing weight. In fact, you might stop losing weight.

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So here's the first thing. It's different for men and women, because women hit the wall first. But the first thing is you start getting low quality sleep. So if you just traveled around the world, maybe you ran a marathon because you're a masochist. Yeah, I'm making fun of chronic cardio. Get a motorcycle, dude. Anyway. Lecture scooter. Man, I just pissed off everyone, but I'm just kidding. I appreciate if you run a marathon to show you're tough. If you run 50 of them, you're probably not.

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treating your body well. And he's hurt. So we're talking about, I don't know, you're asking me some other stuff there. Your success stack, everything. I want to know what's in the. I'm trying to, I'm trying to right now just get a picture for people. All right. I'm going to back up a little bit. If you

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If you're working on what to do in the morning, you do those things, you have breakfast or you don't have breakfast. If you don't have enough breakfast, for women and men, our sleep goes away. If you're tracking your sleep on an aura ring or a whoop or something like that, great. If you're not, let me just pause for a second, dumb ass. At this point, if you're not waking up, getting your heart rate variability readiness score from whatever your tech is,

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Why are you not doing that? It is so cheap, it's so easy. And this tells you whether what you're doing is working in total. Just like you look at your bank statement at the end of the month or the end of the day and go, I wonder what's going on. If you don't do that, you probably won't have a business for very long. So this is how you track whether the sum of what you're doing is working. You're gonna see your readiness go down and your sleep quality is gonna get worse. Over fasting, over keto, or going vegan for a very long period of time, all of those will do that.

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First is sleep, second for women, they hit it first. They end up having irregular monthly cycles that didn't used to be irregular. For guys, we wake up without a kickstand. And then the thing, if you keep doing it because you know skipping breakfast makes you a good person, well, then you start shedding hair and men and women both do that. Should you wake up and skip breakfast? If you could use the benefits of intermittent fasting today, yes, there is no ideal fasting window.

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It depends on your state today. That's why my book is called Fast This Way. And I've taught about a hundred thousand people how to change their fast. Women have to actually change it based on their monthly cycle. And all of us have to change it based on our stress levels. So if you worked out real hard and you lifted heavy and you're not going to eat for 48 hours, you probably didn't do yourself any favors. Right? So I'm just going to tell you the morning, what'd you do last night? How are you feeling? What's your goals for today? And you, and I tuned my morning that way.

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I do take nootropics just about every single day. I take stress adaptogens. I take a handful of longevity enhancing supplements. By the way, I just got my longevity panels back. This is when you measure your chronological age versus your biological age. And in the last year, I lost another year. That means that even though the calendar advanced a year, I went backwards by two years, which is cool. And now...

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12 years younger than my actual age. This is very confusing, Ryan. If you think about this, the calendar says I'm 51, but my lab tests say I'm 38, or whatever that is, 39, it was 12 years. So if I identify as being 39 and people continue to label me without even asking me my desired, in my head, age,

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It's very triggering. You think about it. So every time I fill out my driver's license, they ask me for my age and stuff like that. And I feel very judged right now. Is there a pronoun for that? It's one of those things where I actually had a guest on my show well back.

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I was the one who was a friend, but it's a little bit on the woke side of things. And I was filling out your survey and it had a spot for my gender, but it didn't let me identify my age and that was followed by this long apology for it. And I was laughing because like, you can't change the date you were born, but your body really can be 10 or 20 years younger by a variety of measures.

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I'm a leader in the longevity field. And I'll tell you if you have a business doing north of a million dollars a year and you're not spending at least $25,000 a year on being younger, it's because you're bad at math. And even if you think it only has a 50% chance of working, you're still crazy for not doing it because imagine this, you get another 20 years of lifespan compound interest for another 20 years, you know, that's going to do for you just that alone, right?

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And on top of that, without even looking at compound interest and the things like that, it's the quality of life, the energy you have for all that time. It's that's worth it. Because if you want to be able to be a mom or a dad, you want to be able to. Be present for your kids and your community and your family, and you want to be able to just do the things that matter in your life. And if you're tired all the time and your body hurts.

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It sucks. And you're going to yell at your kids and you're going to fire someone who doesn't need firing or you're going to be mean to a partner. It's just, it's not necessary. And that's why longevity matters because you get more now and you're probably going to get a lot more later, but even if you don't, you'll be glad you did it. I have spent 20% of my income since my mid twenties working on that. Yeah. Cause you don't want to live long. You want to live long. Like I don't want to be 90 years old just to be 90.

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I want to be 90 years old and doing pretty much what I want to be able to do. And if you make all that much, that's what I understand about in most CEOs, I think you've caught on to this successful ones. You're making all this money and you provide for your family and to have time and freedom and do all these things. But you aren't going to be around to enjoy the benefits of that, the time benefits, all that if you aren't taking care of yourself.

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They're providing for their families and never seeing their families and things like that. It doesn't, it doesn't feel good. And I've had so many of those guys come in and we sit down and hook electrodes up to their head and see what's going on. And there's actually a lot of, there's a lot of suffering in there. A lot of it. And it's, I did what I was supposed to do here, but I didn't have any fun along the way. And when you're an entrepreneur too, everyone's counting on you. I mean, you might have, I certainly do hundreds of people relying on me for their household income.

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And that's a serious responsibility. It's a commitment. And the number of times when, you know, things don't go according to plan COVID and whatever else, and you have to have that phone call with someone and say, I know you did all you could. And I did all I could. And if we don't have a job anymore, I didn't elect these clowns. Um, and sometimes we made a bet or I made a bet, right. And we thought it was going to go this way and it didn't go that way. And.

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That never feels good. And actually it hurts to do that. You're taking on a huge responsibility. And if you're going to be able to bear that weight, you better have that energy now. And most of the time when I tell someone I'm going to live to 180 or more, they think I'm nuts. Hold on a second.

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There's some assumptions that went into this. Number one, I already know we can do 120 because someone's already done it. And that person couldn't spell DNA because it hadn't been invented. They didn't have antibiotics for the first part of their life. World War I was fought with horses. Okay, we actually had Calvary. Okay, that person was alive for all that stuff. What the heck? They didn't have airplanes. They hadn't been invented yet. Okay, so, oh, and computers, AI. All that, nothing. So.

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I'm pretty sure we can do 50% better than that over the next 100 years, unless a comet hits the planet or something like that. Or maybe we'll just spray enough glyphosate and natroxine that humans are unable to reproduce that I'm more concerned about than I am carbon or something like that. Carbon is a solvable problem. We have this neat technology called cows that make soil that soaks up carbons. I look at these long-term problems because I'm going to be around that long and I'm working on solving them. If you think you're going to die when you're 80 and the last 20 years, you're not going to know your name anyway.

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Cause you're going to put your car keys in the fridge and you're going to be in a wheelchair with diapers and tubes and all that stuff. That's what most people think getting old is with skin so thin you can see through it. That's not my world. And if you realize that there are people, I know, cause I was mentored by these people who are in their eighties and nineties, who have an active sex life. Are having more fun than ever. They actually have wisdom because they stop worrying about all the stuff that we worry about when we're 20 and 30 and 40 and 50.

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But you have the energy of a young person and the wisdom of an old person. That's a powerful place to be, especially if you still have the body of a 30 year old. And that's what we're building. Like there's no reason we can't do this other than some people who think it's not possible. Other than some industries that will actively try to block you because it makes you not as good of a pharmaceutical consumer and things like that.

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But it's going to happen anyway. And the cool thing is if it doesn't happen here in the U S it'll happen in, uh, in Dubai or Abu Dhabi or Singapore, a med city in India and guys like you and me and your audience will hop on a plane. We'll fly somewhere and we'll come back with gene therapy. Oh wait, I already did that. I got gene therapy six weeks ago, maybe six weeks, maybe two months ago.

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that'll take an average of nine years off of your measured age in your cells from one single injection. So you might say, wait, that's science fiction. No, it's not. I just did a whole two hour podcast on it. And what you can do that. Yeah. I'm now working with that company on other longevity targets. This is reversible. It doesn't get inherited by anyone, but it's already happening. It's yes, it's expensive. That's a $25,000 treatment. But.

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If it takes 10 years off your biological age, and some people it takes much more off. If it takes one year off, you wouldn't pay 25 grand for a year. I would. Exactly. This is, by the way, just Google Dave Asprey gene therapy. I'm sure the episode will come up on my show. But like this stuff is real and people just don't think it's real, Ryan. And it drives me nuts. I've always lived in the future. I do my best to make it.

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And you go back to the nineties, no one thought e-commerce was a thing. And there's that article in entrepreneur and we didn't call it e-commerce because the name e-commerce hadn't been created yet. Like what cloud computing didn't have a name. Right. So we, these are all recent innovations in human history. Right. And it's only getting faster and faster every 73 days, the amount of biological information we have.

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about ourselves doubles. No doctor on earth can ever know all of it. Only an AI system can do it. And that's why Upgrade Labs, my franchise company is doing what it does because we're using AI to tell you here's what to do. Whether it's to get rid of exercise, yeah you can still exercise, it just takes five minutes and you get 90, actually no, you get 12 times better results in five minutes than you do from an hour of cardio. Like I would...

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do 12 times better, even if I had to do an hour of cardio, but it turns out if you do six minutes, you get worse results than five minutes. So there you go. Diminishing returns. Like, let's do that. So as we close out here, Dave, I could talk to you forever. I do wanna talk about the 10th annual biohacking conference that's coming up. Yeah, let's talk about that. Tell me about it. You're 10 years in. What do people expect? What's it all about? So biohacking.

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It's a new word in the English language in 2018. They added it and it is now a $10 billion plus industry. And I started it at a bar in San Francisco with a hundred people about a decade ago. So this is our 10th annual conference, end of May 30th, June 1st kind of time. It's a three-day conference in Dallas. Go to bioh Going to be somewhere around 3000 people and more than a hundred vendors with all the stuff that you use to build the mind.

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the body and the performance that you want. There'll be major figures in longevity and what to eat to perform well. And just a lot of curiosity, but most of all, a lot of people who are just saying, I am in control of my own biology. And that means if you wanna be an entrepreneur, okay, there's some things you probably care about. You wanna be a fitness competitor, you care about different things. You wanna be the world's best meditator.

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These are all just different aspects of control to make our hardware and our software do what matters most to us. So you'll come out of there and just be inspired. So we're talking everything from breath work, some conversations about psychedelics, about other altered states work that doesn't require any pharmaceuticals or any plant medicines, all the way down to, all right, let's have the conversation about why eating some grass-fed meat is probably better than industrial meat.

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It is. And why, if you don't do that at all, you need to at least be a vegetarian. Cause if you're a vegan, it's not going to end well for you. I know this because I was a raw vegan and it trashed me like it does for most people. Just some real serious conversation about the science, about what's real versus what's marketing, and curiosity and acceptance of whatever the heck it is you're deciding is gonna work. Let's talk about it. It'll be the most fun you ever have, bioh I'm glad you moved it to Dallas from San Francisco.

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Yeah, there's only one of them in San Francisco and it wouldn't be safe to do in San Francisco now because we'd all be injecting peptides and then they would think all of our needles were for street drugs. So it would just be confusing. Dave, I love that you tell it like it is, brother. That's the one thing that I do respect. Look, we can all have disagreements about things and people can agree with you or not agree with you. But look, until we don't live in America, you get to speak your mind and tell what your truth is.

42:58
And let me tell you the success speaks for itself because Dave's truth is a lot of the truth. I appreciate you. You know, I'm probably wrong about some of it and I'm willing to, I'm willing to be proven wrong and things were a fun interview. And I'll just say, guys, if any of this triggered you, it means you're walking around with a loaded gun. And I'm in Texas. I'm fine if you walk around with a loaded gun, but if you can be triggered carrying a loaded gun, you should get a therapist. And that's what it means. So it's all right to think different, but if it puts your buttons seriously grow up.

43:28
I think our audience probably digged it more. We probably didn't trigger too many. We probably sold some minerals and some biohiking cars. I'm sitting here looking at my calendar. Danger coffee. I gotta tell you this. I know we're signing off, but the reason it's called Danger Coffee is because who knows what you might do? That's what dangerous people do. They change the world. It's the safe ones that just say, yes, sir, may I have another? And we just aren't that kind of people or we wouldn't be entrepreneurs. Dave, we've dropped a lot. We'll have all of it in the show notes.

43:57
Is there a singular site for finding all of this? I have a feeling it might be DaveAsprey.com, but I wanna hear from you. You got it, it's on DaveAsprey.com and I'm redoing that to make it easier to find stuff. There's 3000 posts, there's 1200 hours of podcasts with 400 million downloads. It's a lot of work, so I'm making it easier and easier and I'm almost done building the DaveBot that has all my content in it. Dave, could we do this again?

44:26
Absolutely happy to. I'd love to do this a couple of times a year. You always have such great insights and it's been a pleasure having you on. And I know our audience will enjoy it. Thank you, brother. Thanks, Ryan. Anytime. And if you want to learn from me directly, join my newsletter, ryanolford.com backslash newsletter. Sign up. I give daily advice on marketing, personal branding, podcasting life. Give that a shout. Join that it's free. It's daily. Just like this show, give away our best advice.

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