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People either love Coach Furrier or they hate Coach Furrier. A lot of guys that have played for him generally love him. Yeah, totally. I mean, back in 2004, nobody, no guy would have been there. 2022, now people are like, yeah, the show's not, it's like, it's a huge part of pop culture. I had no idea in 2004 that I wanted to be on television at all. And that really sort of taught me, like, you've got to find whatever it is that gets you ready and just believe in it. But I don't try to deviate too much from what got me here.

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and what's allowed me to be successful these last 15 years. The hardest part of ending is starting again. You're listening to the Radcast. If it's radical, we cover it. Here's your host, Ryan Alford. Hey guys, what's up? Welcome to the latest edition of the Radcast. We're talking Bachelorette today. We're talking college football. We're talking Jesse Palmer. What's up, brother?

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Good brother, good. Good being on with you. I'm doing great, man. I, uh, fabulous. I've been dying to have you on the show. I've been a big fan from afar. Like, all, you know, watching you on college play college football. I remember you playing. I'm old enough to remember that. Date myself. I remember your playing days and you do a hell of a job with ESPN. And, uh, I was like, you know, and then you.

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picked up the dang Batsaur gig. I'm like, dude, I just got to talk to this guy. So I know you're a busy man. So appreciate it. Yeah, let's get into it. Yeah, man. So I think by now you're getting to be a household name, but for our audience, I definitely just want to kind of get into your journey. You can start it and tell it from whatever point you want, but I think you got a real unique perspective and a kind of a real, obviously very unique journey.

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and winding path. So let's start down that man. Yeah, unique journey. That's definitely a good way to put it, to tease it. It's I never expected that I would I would be in the position I am today. For sure. I grew up in a small town outside of Ottawa, Canada. It's called Pian. And my dad was a former professional football player. My mom was a model. I grew up wanting to be an NFL quarterback.

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and I knew that from the time that I was seven years old. And it was an awesome dream to have, but it was kind of unique and weird because I was in Canada where everybody loves hockey and everybody just talks about hockey. Football's really not that big of a deal. And I just worked and grinded and played, you know, I played every sport growing up, but my dad was my coach and I got really lucky and a big turning point in my life was getting a scholarship to play for Steve Spurrier at the University of Florida.

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I got there right after they won a national championship in 1996. Danny Werfel had won the Heisman Trophy. So it was really just a unique time in my life. And fast forward four years from there, got drafted by the New York Giants, played in the NFL for about five or six years, and then started my career into sports broadcasting with ESPN. And that essentially is sort of what kind of opened up the door for a lot of TV opportunities.

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as well. Yeah, I love it man. A lot to unpack there. I am going to go down the Spurrier route for a second. So I went to Clemson and so I'm a Clemson guy and Spurrier was at USC when they handed Clemson like their worst five years in a row losing. I'm like, God, and then now I love the guy. You know, it's like a love hate relationship. How, how is it? Spurrier is just, I don't know. It's crazy as it seems, or like, is it, I don't know. The guys that love them love them.

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I mean, you know, it's a yeah, well, that's yeah, he's he's that that's a good way to put it. He's definitely you know, people either love coach for the head coach for a lot of guys that have played for him generally love him. I mean, you know, it was so such a unique time to be playing for him with the Gators because he was just so innovative on offense. And that was a time where he was really sort of changing the game and with spread offense and aggressive play calling and we took a lot of shots and

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scored a lot of points and won a lot of games and so you know it was and then you know it was He's such a unique character personality as well just because of this. He's like a walking sound bite I mean any any any time he opens his mouth. It's it's it's on the front page because it's just incredible He oftentimes doesn't have a filter, but that's that's what people love about him, too. Yeah, and so

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You know, it's he's he's definitely he's a legend. It was so cool playing for a guy that changed the game that is a legend in the sport and was really sort of in the prime of his coaching. And the crazy part is was was I think a lot of people could argue what he did at South Carolina after that might have been as impressive as what he did with the Gators. People sort of expected him to win SEC titles with Florida. But the turnaround that that he kind of got South Carolina underway and how we kind of really.

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took that program over to me, I think is just as impressive. Yeah. Nah, I think a hundred percent, especially growing up in South Carolina and knowing them in the sec were they were the doormat of the sec until he got there for the most part and you know, freaking beat Alabama beat Clemson five times at five years in a row, like it was a little bit before Dabo got rolling, but at the same time Clemson had a lot more legacy, a lot better players a lot of the times. And

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Yeah, I think it was funny. What was surprising was just how, how well he recruited in state at South Carolina. Like he was able to get guys like all Sean, Jeffrey, Marcus, Lattimore, um, you know, obviously clowny. Think about these guys that, that, that came in and just, you know, the best player in the state and, and just impact guys that really sort of kind of set them up and he's just one of these dudes who's, you know, throughout his careers as

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put guys in position to be successful and to go onto the NFL and have, have successful careers careers there. It's, uh, it's pretty amazing what he did. I agree. So, um, I briefly, you know, like what was, how do you define when you look back at the NFL experience, you know, uh, like, is it fond? Was it just, um, is it feel like a blip now? I mean, obviously it was five, six years, but like, is it, how is that in your memory banks now?

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holding up, right? It's just incredible. Best years of my life. Yeah. I mean, I mean, when I say when I was seven years old, I wanted to play in the NFL. Like that, that I don't, I don't mean that. Like every seven year old kid says that. Like I was absolutely obsessed with football. I had like 14 posters of quarterbacks in my bedroom. I had this massive poster of Joe Montana on my ceiling that I would look at when I went to bed. I mean, I ate, breathed and slept.

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football all day every day. And Miami Hurricane rubber football, but I packed in my knapsack, I took to school every day to throw around. I was like the only kid playing football because no one else wanted to. You know, when I looked like the day I got drafted by the New York Giants was such a magical moment because all the hard work, all the sacrifice and really just being grateful and thankful to all the people that helped me achieve that and get there. I mean, it was really, really tough odds for a kid from the PN Ontario to end up getting drafted.

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and then end up starting games in the national football league. Um, I would have loved to have had Tom Brady's career. There's no doubt about it, but the thing is when I look back on it, man, I got to do something that so few people ever did. And so I sort of look at it like I lived my dream. I did it. I achieved my goals and everything else that has happened since then is literally just icing on the cake. I don't have any regrets.

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I'm not resentful at all. I have a lot of buddies that played football that had really bad breaks. They got hurt. They were talented guys, made bad decisions, got hurt, life happened, and they couldn't pursue their dream of playing in the NFL. Years and years later, people really harbor that kind of stuff. And it just kind of sticks with them. It sticks in their gut and it just affects them. And I totally get it. I understand it. I was so lucky.

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to be able to avoid a lot of pitfalls, injuries, life, whatever it is. Um, so I've had the opportunity to have those five, six years in the NFL, dude, those were the best days of my life. And when I was starting games, I was getting a crap kicked out of me, but honestly, dude, I would do it all over again in a millisecond to be on the field again with the guys because it was. That that's

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the only thing I ever wanted to do since I was seven years old. So I'm eternally grateful to so many people and to the experiences I had. I love it, man. And I'm going to make this observation and I want to get your opinion. Like there's something about you. Like I see you on television. I'm talking to you now. There's, there's a joy and a happiness and like, you know, some people, you feel like they, they carry the weight of the world or they have issues or whatever.

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And I think it may even be polarizing maybe for people with you because I always just sense and have always liked this about you. There's just kind of like this, I'm in this moment and I'm enjoying it and I'm a happy person. And I don't know, I've just always respected that about you. And the more I talk to you sitting here, I'm like, it feels real. Like even like- I appreciate it. Yeah, and like, and I don't know if you've ever talked about that, but like, I don't know. And I don't know where that comes from. Like just that.

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Yeah, I don't know, joyous spirit or happiness, you know? You're the first person that's ever actually asked me that. That's a great question, man. I appreciate it. I try to think of myself as being a guy that's in the present. Yeah. And I try to stay cognizant of that. And you know, it might have to do with playing football all those years and just listening to buddies and teammates always talk about what it could have should have.

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I shouldn't have come to Florida, man. I should have gone to South Carolina. I would have been a starter and I'd be in the league right now if I'd done that. If I didn't come here, I wouldn't have torn my ACL. I should have never married that girl. If I didn't do that, I would have had this time to do these things. Um, and on the flip side of that, people always just so worried about the next contract, the next, you know, what was happening way down the line. And it just seems so stressful to me. And I wasn't even the one saying those things.

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Those weren't even my thoughts but just being surrounded by all that that fear all the time and that negative I will say negative energy, but the the nervous energy. That's a good way to put it Yeah, it was draining on me and I just felt I think happiest and the most comfortable when I just really thought about the here and now and And at ESPN like when we're in studio and we're doing a half time. I'm just really trying to enjoy

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that

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like there's a lot going on and it'll give you that anxiety. I mean, I don't even have kids yet, I can't imagine. Someone like, we were talking before we started, you've got four boys. Dude, I can't imagine you having to think about balancing that and your wife and your kids and now your podcast and your job and your family and your travel. Like, I don't know how you do that either. You must be the same, you must just be in the moment. I'm wired very similar and I guess, I don't know.

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you kind of recognize it in yourself when you see someone else. But I've always admired that about you because I've always felt like that was true. It was like, but until I really kind of have this conversation and I'm hearing you talk and I'm like, you know, it's one-to-one. I'm like, okay, that's not, that's not a paint. That's not fake. Like that's real. Like, and- I appreciate it, brother. Yeah, man. And so I really appreciate that in you. I think there's just so much, I don't know, kind of.

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too far ahead and maybe not in the moment and a lot of negativity. And I feel like I've just never sensed that from you. So I appreciate that. So, hey man, so let's talk a little bit about, we talked, you just brought up some of the college football stuff. I mean, that's coming up. I mean, it's gotta just remain a passion. I mean, like you're great at it. You're good at calling, you know, play by, you do both color, you do some color too, right? Color and play by player. Just color.

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I used to do color and studio for a while. And then there was a while there too where I was calling two games a week for three years. So Brett Musburger and I were doing the SEC Network together. And then I was doing Thursday Night Football, traveling sort of all over the country. It was a lot. But kind of like you said, I mean, if you really enjoy what you're doing, like I love football and I love college football. Like I love college football.

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Do it like again, and not to keep going back to Canada, but like Canadians, I obviously, you know, I, I, all my best friends are there. I love them. They have no idea about passionate fan bases and football. They don't know about those clips of tigers. I'm going to like, I always tell them, they're like, dude, Montreal, Canadians, Toronto Maple Leafs, best rivalry in sports. And I'm like, it's a great rivalry, but you really should, at some point in your life, try to get to Alabama LSU.

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or try to do like, if you can see like, yeah, like Georgia, Florida, or one of these games, Clemson, South Carolina. Yeah. If you can go down and see that it's just a total game changer. And when I lived it for four years, it was an indoctrination into a religion that I never even knew existed. And I just immediately knew that I was home. Like when I left Nepean and I showed up in Gainesville, Florida, I knew I was home because everybody loved football.

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They wanted to talk about it all the time, just like I did. And having the last 15, 16 years at ESPN to do this as a job and get to travel to these, go to Memorial Stadium at Climson, go down to Bryce Williams Stadium. I mean, it's, it's, it's. There was Bryce. It's amazing to get to do all that. Um, and then talk about it and just, and be around passionate people. I just love it. Yeah, man is, uh,

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Is there a moment that sticks out? I mean, like one of your best moments, I'm sure you've had a ton now, but like whether it was at a game where the energy is so high or I don't know, maybe in studio, I don't know. Is there a moment or two that are standouts at this point? Yeah, I mean, it's funny, man. It's funny, you can think back and, you know, I remember so many games and amazing environments that I was in at the time. There've been a few oh crap moments though.

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The first was when I was, I called my first game with Brett Musburger. He's such a legend. And he's a guy that's called, he's called so many big games in college football, in the NFL. He's been to like Ali, Frazier. He's done so many different things, Olympics, everything. But we were at, we were in South Carolina doing a Texas A&M South Carolina game. And the broadcast started and the place is going nuts.

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and they're playing Space Odyssey, the place is absolutely freaking out. And all of a sudden he comes on and you hear the classic, you are looking live. And I had this oh crap moment where I just froze, like, oh crap, like I'm in the booth with Brent Musburger about to call this game, how cool is that? And then, you know, there was, him and I called an iron bowl, we did a damn Auburn game, which was incredible. Him and I called the Rose Bowl.

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which I mean, I still, I still can't believe I did that. I mean, and so, I mean, it's, yeah, it's like stuff that when I started at ESPN, I mean, I was just, you, you could have thrown me, my first game I called was rice versus UTEP and it was the greatest thing of all time. It was, it was the greatest. You're definitely a junkie. You told me that like down the road, I'd get a chance to be in Pasadena Rose Bowl with Brent Musburger. I mean, it's, it's amazing the journey and how lucky I've been honestly, cause it's, I just,

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I don't take a second of that job for granted. So, well, and it's funny, like every college football nut myself included goes, damn, that'd be a dream job. You know, like, I mean, and I'm like, and it's never as sexy, like you said, 2 a.m. stuff, you get tired. There's always stuff that's, it's a job. People forget that, but damn, have your passion and your work come to life. And you gotta remind yourself too,

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and

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when you sort of get in tough spots. What do you think's attributed to your longevity with ESPN? Like, do you, I mean, you fight, I mean, you're easy to work with, I'm sure, but like, you know, are there things? Cause it's kind of where I was wanting to go, like this nature of nurture thing with you, man. I can't quite put my finger on it. Like, you know, both your joy in doing things, your attitude, but you know, I'm almost kind of getting at what makes you successful.

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while also asking, you know, that longevity is not easy in the sport. Yeah. You described. Yeah. I mean, for me, I mean, I just, this kind of goes back to playing football. It's like, I was, I just work really, really hard at it. And I study a lot. I watch a lot of tape. I watch so much film every year. I've got just books and binders of notes that I've taken watching teams. I put a lot into it. And, um, I think a lot of people that do this job, everybody sort of has their own.

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their own path and their own way that they operate. Some guys are great at just not studying and just kind of showing up and watching the game and just giving it to you raw and live. I do it the way I used to play quarterback, where you watch film, you study the opponent, you do it for a week, and then you're able to sort of take everything that you've studied and you've got in your head and you sort of kind of spit it out on game day with respect to what you're seeing. So I hope part of my longevity has to do with the product that I'm putting out.

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And a lot of that really is preparation and really hard work. I'm not the guy that just kind of shows up and wings it. And I hopefully for the fans and the viewers at home, hopefully that comes across. No, it does. I always feel like you're like overprepared. Like it does come across that way. Almost like, again, it's a compliment, like robotically, not because you're a robot, but because I'm like the detail.

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Yeah, you know, I'm like, yeah, yeah, it's there. I remember I remember like playing for Sean Payton with the New York Giants. And I remember like he would grind. He was like a John Grimm disciple who would grind, you know, all all hours of the night. We'd be in our quarterback meeting Friday morning. Sean had the biggest eye bags. He was crushing dip. He had like a coffee. It's like double fisting coffees and was going through it. And and he would put so much work into our game plan. Like our play our playbook for that week was it was huge. And we would lose a game.

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and be really disappointing and just put up six points and just all the 160 yards. And I just think to myself, like, man, how's he gonna change? Obviously that was not a good outcome. We lost the game. That was embarrassing. How is he gonna change his preparation the next time? And to his credit, he never did. He just trusted the process. He went back in the office at 4 a.m. on Monday and just started the whole thing again, trusting that and believing in what he was doing was right.

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that really sort of taught me like, you've got to find whatever it is that gets you ready and just believe in it. And I have good days in studio and I have bad days in studio and I have good days in the booth and I have bad days in the booth. But I don't try to deviate too much from what got me here and what's allowed me to be successful these last 15 years. Yeah, I think it's good for people to hear that because dude, man, you look like you got it all together. You're a good looking guy. You've been on The Bachelor, which we're gonna get to. And it's like, but no.

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this guy is busting his ass, working hard, preparing, and it doesn't just get handed, it's like hard work. And I think it's good for people to hear that from you because I think there's just a, you know, I mean, you know you do, I'm sure you've dealt with that in your life, you know? Oh, you got it easy or something, right? Yeah, yeah, for sure. Like, I mean, listen, no doubt about it. And I tell people this all the time, like my career at Florida and playing in the NFL and being on The Bachelor,

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to some extent, did that help me land ESPN? Absolutely it did, of course it did. But once you get there, what do you do with it? Because we've also had a lot of, we've had NFL Hall of Famers at ESPN that got a job because of that, but they didn't last very long. Because they didn't work very hard. At the end of the day, it's just, at the end of the day, it's your resume, your game tape, your film, and what you put out on camera at ESPN, and studio, and.

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in the booth, that that is your resume and it speaks for itself. I think it does brother, cause I've seen the turnover and, and, but you're a mainstay with college football, hopefully for a long time. Let's talk about the bachelor. Let's talk about it. Uh, you were the bachelor and you're the host of the bachelor, you know, replacing Chris Harrison, who was there for 20, I don't know, the guy looks. Our age or my, your age. I don't know how old you are. How are you 40 yet? Are you getting there? I'm in there. You're in there getting in there.

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I'll go there somewhere. We're in there somewhere. But Chris Harrison looks, you know, whatever, but he's done the bachelor for 28 years or whatever. Uh, so you got to follow him up. I think you've done a great job, but I don't know, just talk about that bachelor experience, what's that's been like? Yeah, it's been wild. I mean, going back to 2004 when, um, when I became the bachelor, that was, that was kind of this, that was this amazing opportunity. It's funny. I've always sort of been a guy that just kind of.

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tries to take opportunities and make the most out of them and just kind of have fun with, with again, kind of being in the moment, not worrying about what the repercussions are of it. And so, you know, I'd be lying if I told you that in 2004, I knew what I was doing. I wouldn't believe you if you did say you did. If I had said, trust me, like I'm going to do that. I'm playing in the NFL right now. I'm going to do this job.

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in a couple years this is totally gonna open doors for me in my broadcasting career. I had no idea in 2004 that I wanted to be on television at all. So you know that whole thing happened and with beyond a shadow of a doubt I don't know I don't know if it really helped me with ESPN but it definitely helped me with Food Network, with Good Morning America and obviously being the host of The Bachelor now years and years later Daily Mail and some of these other other shows that I've been associated with. It has been so cool

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this year coming back years and years later to be part of the franchise again. Um, and the amazing thing has just been how much bigger the show is now. Like, dude, when I did it in 2004, reality TV was like a brand new thing. And I remember being in the locker room with all the guys in the New York giants, like Michael Strahan, Tiki, Barbara, and Monte tumor. And, and I'm having to like explain to them what reality TV is. And then also what the bachelor is.

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What is that? So wait, you're going on a reality show to get a date? Is that kind of what you're doing? Like it's a little bit more than that. Like you're going on, you're hopefully gonna get married. It's all on reality TV and explain all that. And then today to fast forward, like the budget's obviously way bigger obviously. The travel's crazy. It's still the nuts and bolts are the same and the concept of it is the same. But the fans and.

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Bachelor Nation has just grown by leaps and bounds. They've multiplied. I can't think of another show that has a fan base so into it and just so, so emotional about it and so invested in it. It's kind of like, it's like a Clemson fan base or an SEC fan. That's what it feels like. Yeah, right. It's just, they are so passionate about it and that's been really, really cool to sort of be back part of that. Yeah, man. And I think you've done a good job. It's a...

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It's a rabid fan base. I mean, and I'm, I'm one of those, it's a, I don't even call it a guilty pleasure. I don't know why as a man, we feel like we have to say guilty pleasure. And we say, we like watching the bachelor, but my wife has loved it forever. So she kind of got me on it. And then like now we enjoy it. So it's like, you know, I think guys are like a shame, but you don't, you know, you're watching it. Yeah, totally. I mean, back in 2004, nobody, no guy.

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2022 now people are like, yeah, like the shows about it's like, it's a huge part of pop culture that everybody's girlfriend or wife watches. So on Monday nights, you're right there. I was talking to Kirk Herbstreit to Herbie the other day. I mean, on Monday he's texting, he's like texting me throughout the episodes cause he's watching it too. So it's like, we're all, we're all, whether we admit it or not, we're all doing it. Oh yeah. Exactly. What's been the, uh, and I know we got to wrap up here, but what's, what's been like any shocking moments or

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Holy cow moments from the season, you know, like, I know there's a lot, but. There have been so many. Well, this year has been absolutely crazy. Like, this is not what I signed up for. I thought I was coming into this thing. It was just gonna be like. Some kind of formula, but. A seminar, like a five-iron. Yeah. Just trying to keep it in the fairway. Just trying to like, yeah. Like, Clayton's brought out like his driver on every, like he's just taking, he's taking DeChambeau rips and like just things are, like balls are spraying.

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It's been it's been a very emotional Roller coaster this thing has gone off the tracks a few times and we're at a point right now in the show Where we're coming up on the finale next week Monday and Tuesday live on after the final rose and and We don't know how this ends Like we were we were shooting we were shooting everything out in Iceland

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back in the fall and I mean I left I left set thinking okay I know how this thing it's over and I know what happens and there is so much chaos and so much drama that is just as everybody has seen has just happened in Iceland that and it's gonna come up there's so many questions that that are still unanswered and we're gonna get the answers to all of it finally live on Monday and Tuesday and I can't wait

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That's going to be my, Oh crap moment. It's crazy. I throw that, you know, there used to be these unspoken rules on the bachelor, what they did, what they didn't do the way the last few years. It's been trending towards this. There's no rules. There's no nothing like, and it's all kind of, and this season's been like the epitome of that. Right? I know. Clayton's forging his own path, man. He's doing things his way. Yeah. And, uh, it's.

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It's led to a lot of, a lot of drama and now he's going to have to deal with the, the consequences and we're going to see how he's able to sort of navigate the situation that he's gotten himself in. I agree, man. Um, is it nature or nurture for you, man? Is this all like, is your parents just, just raise your well, or do you just, you just built this way? You know, I, man, I mean, not to get all Freudian. I don't know. It's like, I, I, oh, listen, I was very, very lucky. I had two.

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incredible role models and my mom and my dad. They definitely instilled a lot of discipline in me, a lot of work ethic and a lot of gratitude and appreciation growing up at a very young age. And I think staying close to them throughout my entire life and having the messages reinforced over and over, I think has definitely helped a lot. And I think trying to be around like-minded people. And we talked a lot about my teammates back in the day and...

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Football's a funny thing. It's like, like in college football, especially, there's like 120 dudes in there, in the locker room. And there's a lot of guys. You gotta be careful who your circles are. Everyone's, every football player's got a kind of a tiny circle. You got the team, you got the offense, you got, you know, but you get like four or five dudes, different positions, whatever, that you kind of run with. And I think you gotta be careful who those guys are. I've always tried, I was always trying to make sure they were positive people that, that were appreciative of what we were doing and loved what we were doing.

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And I think, I think family and I think my, my circle, my, my teammates and my buddies, I think are, and my wife Emily's is really the biggest reason. I think all those hold true and everything, not just sports and for you. I think, uh, keep your circle small and, uh, right. Hey man, last question are, do we know bats? Is this a continual thing with the bachelor? Is it just contract by contract or do we know if you'll be back? Can you say otherwise or

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I'm just trying to get my guy to the finish line Tuesday night. I'm just trying to get him. I mean, I didn't think we were going to be here, but I got to help Clayton out. I got to get him to the finish line come Tuesday. And then I guess we'll see from there. I will say this. I've had, I really have had an amazing time doing this. I thought it was going to be fun. I've actually enjoyed this more than I even expected I would.

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So I've had a real blast doing it. So we'll see what happens. That's great. I think you've done a really good job. Last thing I want to say, cause I didn't know because you're kind of, you're a charismatic guy and you've been the bachelor. And I was like, how's he going to be Switzerland? You know, because that's kind of what Chris Harrison, like his greatest attribute was he was so switched, like, you know, and I think that's why you'd respect him. And I was like, how is Jesse going to do this? Not because you're like arrogant or you got to be the center of attention. It's just more like you're that guy.

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And I was, I think you've done an admirable job of kind of finding that neutral zone. So I'll give you the lie. Yeah. I appreciate it, dude. Yeah. I've tried, I've tried to not make it about me. It's like, I don't want to be like the old uncle Jesse. He was like, back in my day, I would have done this. Or this is what you need to say. I just want, like, this is for, this is Clayton's, this is his game. This is his deal. He's got to figure it out. And I'm sort of there to try to keep them.

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I'm trying to give him the seven iron as much as I hold it for him. I'm like, dude, just lay up. Yeah. Lay up. Yeah. But you know, at times he's swinging for fences. Jesse, I know, uh, everybody knows probably where to find you, but, uh, where do you direct people when they're wanting to keep up with you? Oh, just Instagram, Jesse Palmer on Instagram and Jesse, Jesse Palmer TV on Twitter is pretty much it. Hey, I really enjoyed this. I hope we can do it again down the road and would love to stay in touch.

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Absolutely brother. Thanks so much for having me on. I really appreciate it. Hey guys, we really appreciate Jesse Palmer. Go follow the bachelor. The season. If you're watching, if you're listening to this, the season's probably already over, but guess what? Jesse's still out there. Go check him out on college football. He's great. We really appreciate him. You know where to find us. We're at theradcast.com. Search for Jesse Palmer. You'll find all of the content from today. I'm Ryan Alford on all the platforms. We'll see you next time on the Radcast.