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You're listening to the Radcast, a top 25 worldwide business podcast. If it's radical, we cover it.

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Here's your host, Ryan Alford. Hey guys, what's up? Welcome to the latest edition of the Radcast. We're bringing the pain today. Let me tell you, we talk about being radical. It's radical if we cover it. We're talking to one of the top five in the world. Wake surfers, Parker Payne. What's up, brother? How's it going? Thank you so much for having me. Of course. Dude, you got the perfect name.

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You know, like for, it's just a cool name, the double P, the alliteration. And, uh, you know, I don't know that these be your, I'm going to give it to you as a freebie the, uh, when they introduce you at any of your contests or different stuff, bringing the pain dropping the pain. I don't care how nice it is and how nice you are, but, uh, damn man, top five wake surfer, you know, you've been doing it for 10 years, right?

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Professional for 10 years. Yeah, there's definitely been years before that where I was not, you know, not currently a pro but at 14 That's when I turned pro and it's been a grind from here on out. Yeah, I mean, you know, I think people It's a really growing sport. I mean at the end of the day, you know, we talked, you know pre-episode like, you know I'm on my lake all the time on my houseboat Chillin cruising and every other boat that goes by

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I feel like everybody's trying it. Why has it gotten so popular? I think it's just a really family-friendly sport. It's low impact, you're not going very fast, but if you want to push the sport and progress, there's definitely an opportunity to be able to do that. Everyone loves being on the water, everyone loves going on the lake, so I think it's a perfect combination. Isn't it just like more accessible? Cause like, when you think about riding behind the boat, it's intimidating cause of the speed and the rope factor, right? Being pulled and...

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hard. But I feel like wakesurfing, at least at the basic level, is a little bit more accessible. Like, I think most, some people, a lot of people, they can't get up maybe skiing or wakeboarding. It's a little, it's a little, a little less intimidating maybe once they see or they get up. Is that part of it? Absolutely. And I taught my grandfather how to wakesurf. So if I taught my grandfather how to, I think that anyone can really learn to get behind the boat and go.

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I gotta admit though, I've fought the urge. I have not done it. So even though I've watched the videos and I'm telling you, you guys are gonna go watch Parker, you're gonna be listening, you're gonna go watch Parker on Instagram and then you're gonna be hooked, at least on the vortex of watching the tricks and how mad and how bad he is on the water. But I've fought the urge. I have a feeling now I'm like forced. You know, I have a top five in the world, wake surfer. I'm gonna have to get out there and do it.

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I think we're gonna have to get out there and teach you how to. Oh, okay. I'm gonna hold this to it. I'm gonna make... Parker's gonna come up. We're gonna get him to... we'll have like a phase two of the Radcast. We're gonna get him up out on the water on Lake Kiwi. Yep. Are you committing to this? Let's do it. I'll get the professional lesson for Parker Payne. I think that'll be legit as it is and some good content for both of us. Absolutely. If nothing else. Talk to me, even doing it 10 years. Talk...

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Just give me the, let's do the, let's give everybody a little bit of the life story. You know, what got you started into it, the journey of being a pro, and just like the overall growth of the sport. Of course. So to rewind all the way, my parents were collegiate water skiers back in college. We'd always had a boat growing up. You know, I tubed, I wakeboarded, I skied. Wake surfing, you know, in the earlier 2000s was starting to gain popularity.

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and being a young kid wanting to try every single board sport on the water, I knew that wakesurfing was something that interested me. I found a natural talent and I, you know, managed to find my way learning new tricks really fast and progressing. And in 2013, I started competing. I had an undefeated year as an amateur, went to semi-pro the next year and halfway through they kicked me out and I went immediately straight to pro. And from there, it's been 10 years of

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Professional wake surfing and I've enjoyed every minute of it and gone to travel around meet awesome people and It's been cool to to live my dream Speaking of bringing the pain they kick you out of the amateurs Thought I'm here like dude. You're too good. We're gonna. I'm politely I can hear him talking to your parents We're gonna have to get you out of the league. He's uh, he's making all these little kids feel bad Mama pain at that time was oh my gosh, she's only you know

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14 years old at the time. So it was definitely scary for her and for me as well. Being thrown into that life at such a young age was not something I was even ready for, but something that I had to do. You're still a young guy, I mean at 24, but I sense a maturity about you. Have you always had that in you, or has it just come with time and being a pro for 10 years? Maybe a little bit of both. I've heard some people say I'm an old soul, but I think definitely having the experience of, you know,

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being around, especially being within the business world at such a young age, it's allowed me to have a different perspective on, on how that whole thing works. All of this success and all these things you've been doing, um, has happened as social media has exploded. You know, like it's obviously been around for, we're almost at 20 years now on some level, uh, we'll throw out my space, but uh, probably before your time, but

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You know, Facebook's been around, there's been these things, but I'd say the explosion of social media has happened through it. How's that guided, you know, your career or just the awareness of the sport? It's definitely changed everything, not just within wake surfing, but any other, you know, individual sport that you can do. Social media gives you the platform to tell your story. Having the ability to post my videos, show off sponsors.

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and promote my own personal brand has allowed me to really elevate in my career. And I think without it, I would not be where I am today and sitting in this chair to be able to have this conversation. Is it, you know, social media is interesting. It paints a certain picture. It tells one side of the story. Have you seen the positive and the negative sides of it? I mean, have you experienced any of the hate, you know, or any of the, I mean, obviously you're a badass.

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I mean on the water and so there's not much to hate on. I'm sure someone figures it out But have you experienced both the positive and the negatives? Absolutely, there's always up and downs and as they say hitters gonna hate but I think that they wish they were on the water, too So I think they all take that as a as a win. Yeah the worst what the worst they could say to you You're on the water, you know making a living and doing what you love and that's what's so amazing You know about what the internet has opened up is the ability for people

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No matter what it is, obviously you're making a living, but your ability to spread that word and spread it and to bring a business along with it, which we'll talk about shortly, but that's the thing that I think not everyone, believe it or not, has embraced, is the ability that you can make a living through social media. Absolutely. It would blow your mind on how far you can really take it. Talk to me about the business of the sport.

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Like you witnessed it in your 10 years, being young, at 14 through 24, but just the growth of the sport and how it just continues to expand and you know, the number of sponsors and the number of things, like what's the most eye-opening thing for you about just how big the sport's getting?

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Social media has given it so much popularity and really allowed people to see an inside look of how the sport operates. I think for myself, a key part that has really allowed me to succeed, and there's three elements, is personal brand, your talent slash skill, and the partners that you work with. I think those three things are what really makes the total package to allow you to excel. Having social media to help push your personal brand and have the partners and sponsors go hand in hand

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is I think what really helps generate dollars and generates the impressions online. Talk to me, you know, and we talked about this pre-episode, you know, starting out in the sport, it was all about competing in the competitions. So maybe explain a little bit of that for everybody listening, like how does someone make a living? How did they do it? And maybe how you're doing it now as a wake surfer. Yeah.

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Competitions will always be the root of wakesurfing. That's where everyone gets together and has a good time. It's almost like a family reunion every time you get to go to these events. When it comes to turning that into a career, wakesurfing in the competitive space is your starting point. Social media allows you to showcase your abilities within competitions, and that's how brands start to find you. Once you have completed a...

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let's say, you know, certain amount of competition wins, that's when really you start to get a lot of interest, and then now you can not necessarily shift away from competitions, but more pick up the side of social media to allow you to grow your personal brand. I mean, ultimately, these brands just wanna sell more of their stuff to, you know, as the sport grows, their business grows. So they...

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bring on someone like you, top five in the world, because ultimately if I'm selling boards or boats or ropes and everything involved with it, the point is, the more eyeballs that see you using that, the more influence there is on people purchasing, correct? Yes. And what's, what is the transition from, okay, I'm sponsoring and I'm sure you've gone through this thought process, you've got your own board, things like that, but.

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from helping a brand sell more things versus selling more of your own. Have you gone through that kind of process or thought? Absolutely. There's definitely a certain angle that you have to take on it when it comes to promoting that product on social media. Obviously you can't have something stick out and look like it's a direct ad, but I think having an endorsement and, you know, seeing people that if I ride this board, if I wear this life jacket, maybe I can be as good as them or maybe I can do that trick that I've been trying to get on that particular board.

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That's where it starts to look less like an ad and more just like me telling you, hey, this is something that you should try. And I think that's what gets a lot more sales rather than a brand directly trying to promote that straight to their end user. Yeah. But are you crossing that line of where, you know, we should have Parker Payne manufactured ropes versus X brand ropes? It goes half and half. I think having the personal brand as long.

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with a well-known brand, I think they go hand in hand together. I've seen it go both ways and individuals go out and make their own brands, but sometimes having the backing of those bigger brands allows both people to succeed. Yeah, because I think of the skateboarding, you know, I grew up on the skateboarding scene and you know, it was all about, you know, you had Lance Mountain and you had Powell Peralta who makes like all the skateboard stuff, but then they had the individual name boards under that.

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You know what? That's kind of similar to yours. You've got the Phantom five phantom phase five wake surfboard. So that's you, right? The phase five fan. And that is that's the winner. That's my board. What what distinguishes one board from another? You know, like, well, unlike skateboarding, you know, oftentimes you see skateboard decks are very similar in shape. Wake surfboards, just like ocean boards, can be all kinds of shapes, sizes, varieties.

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Even styles. We have surf style boards and we have skim style boards. Skim style being your typical beach skim board, very flat, very slick. Then you have your surf style board, which is the Phantom board that I produce, which is modeled after a small ocean surf board. Very aggressive, big fence. Having both of those styles allows you to try both things, try different tricks. Both of them allow you to excel your skills in wake surfing.

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But it's, and we talked about this, but wake surfing is kind of like this combination of skateboarding and traditional surfing. Right. It is. And, you know, so talk about what's the evolution. So from beginner to pro, what are the distinguish, like if I'm just learning, I'm, I, is it all about staying up? Like I'm just trying to keep like the gravity up upright. Like what distinguishes the.

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True amateur to where what are the stages of like growth on the board? Of course, um, well usually your first victory is letting go of the rope and staying within the wave I think if you can surf You're already better than most. Um The next thing that you're going to try to strive for is a 360 and that is the classic wake surf trick Everyone wants to be able to do their 360 Everyone goes out that summer and they're like, this is the summer that i'm going to get it. Um

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you can skip, you know, let's skip down a couple of tricks and get all the way to kickflips or, you know, 900 shove-its or things like that. It can get very technical, very quick, but once you start to get those more high-end tricks, they kind of all come together and start to become something more achievable. And if you want to learn from me directly, join my newsletter, RyanOffer.com backslash newsletter. Sign up, I give daily advice on marketing, personal branding, podcasting, life. Give that a shout, join that, it's free.

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It's daily, just like this show, give away our best advice. What guides it for you? Like, you know, the thinking through like the next thing. And then let's talk a little bit about the trick that you're the only one in the world that has pulled off. But what guides kind of the creative flow of, you know, attaching tricks to tricks? Of course. Looking online definitely gives me a lot of influence. When it comes to my process of trying to learn that trick or try to find something that I'm ready to do next.

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I'll go out and try it, but I shoot videos of it and I go home and I study those videos. Being able to go back in slow motion and see each individual thing that you've done really allows you to go back the next day and you know, see what you know achieve what you're looking for. I don't have a coach so I don't really have anyone to kind of help me with my basic strategy. It's all on me. So I'm I would say self-taught in what I've achieved so far.

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And having those skills and the utilities to be able to help bring them to life is essential What's the trick that you can do that? No one else can the kickflip? Okay, the surf style kickflip. I was first to do it first to do it only one to do it at least Does anyone claim it but uh, they don't have a video of it. Uh, there's a There's some rumors here and there but um as of right now I'm the first person to do a kickflip on a wicksurf board behind the boat. Yeah, what?

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Why is it so hard? I think it's the first trick in wake surfing to where you're looking at the bottom of your board while you're in the air. Generally, we're doing a lot of spin tricks, a lot of tricks where you kind of just spin the board underneath your feet, but this is the very first one where halfway through the air, I'm looking at the fins on the bottom of my board and trying to get over that hurdle and learn that trick was one of the hardest things I did in my entire life. When was the first time you completed it? The first time I completed it was

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Earlier this summer, it took me 10 years of trial and error to be able to do this trick. And I finally landed it on the 94th attempt of that morning. We were watching that video earlier and I saw you, you know, like the look on your face. And then hearing though the story of the 94th time, I'm just sitting here going, the stamina, you know, to not only stick with it, but you know, knowing you did it and then, I don't know, I was surprised you had the energy to pull it off.

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It was definitely a big feat that morning. It was probably about three and a half hours in the water. Holy shit. It was a total mental roller coaster of the up and downs of being, oh, I'm so close and now I'm so far away. But are you doing it regularly now? I've hit three in total so far. I haven't had much time to really go out and practice a lot to try to get it dialed. But just recently I found that one little key factor that I think is gonna be my ticket to getting it consistent for next season.

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Is this like just a mental, like a mental check or something? Or is it like a, or is it physical, like a physical motion? It's physical. Ah, so you could teach it and sell it for money. Yep. Ha ha ha ha. I can see this happening. How to do the kick flip. Kick flip course coming soon. Yeah. I mean, is that what it really comes down to, like as far as the monetary side? Like, my mind kind of gets wrapped around, obviously, you know, the influencer stuff and promoting products and stuff.

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But teaching and all that, have you gone down that route yet? Like online teaching? Teaching is huge. I'm thankful I have a lot of clients that fly me all over the world to teach them how to wake surf. I have a client that's in their 70s right now and they fly me out a couple times every summer. I definitely do some online coaching as well. I have friends that have created online courses of how to do wake surf tricks and even like a...

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I have a friend that did like a a la carte program where you can pick each individual trick you wanna learn how to do. So if you already know one, you don't have to pay for it. So there's definitely been a very large influx of online, you know, pay per knowledge type of, you know, programs out there. But for me, I love being in person to teach you how to do it. So when we have a chance to get on the water, I'd way rather be there on the back of the boat telling you how to do it, than text you a video of this is how I do it, or, you know, type something out, so.

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Yes, yes. I'm much more in person. I don't think I could learn without in person. Yeah for sure is uh But when you think about your own personal brand parker talking with parker pain On the top we're just gonna call them best in the world because he can do a trick No one else can or the best in the world wake surfers. Um in studio. I might add we had to do it in studio You know in person, which I appreciate parker. Yeah um You know You think about your personal brand?

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I mean, are you thinking about it from that media standpoint, like building that library, like doing things? I mean, like what's going through your mind as you're planning out the Parker pain, you know, personal brand. Personal brand and social media are huge. I'm always thinking of what's the next video? What's the next crazy trick that I can do that'll break the internet? Because as soon as I have a video that goes wild and I have my, you know, my board there, my life jacket there.

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Those are all, you know, sales and it creates brand awareness there as well. So the more views, the more sales, the more fun it all goes hand in hand. So is that really just kind of it now? Like, is it just how you think of amplification through the range of the tricks themselves? I mean, obviously that's going to drive it, but more people watch it. More people. The good things come. Exactly. So it's as simple as that for you now. Yep.

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Any other channels you're exploring? I mean, is YouTube a big channel for you? No, usually short form content is where it's gone for us. I've tried YouTube in the past and not to say that I wouldn't try again, but with the world that we're living in with TikTok and Instagram reels, things like that, people love that quick, immediate, you know, oh my gosh video that I've got to share this to a friend or I got to show someone. That's where we start to see the variety that we're looking for. And that's...

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I think that the goal is raw. Do you think people appreciate the difficulty? Like, obviously, if anyone that's done it before goes, holy shit, this, I don't know how he just did that. Do people grasp the difficulty that maybe haven't tried it? I think they do. I did immediately. Like, I've just seen enough people going by them and like, they're not doing what Parker's doing, you know, like, but

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I do wonder if that goes over people's heads on that one. To use the kickflip as an example, I think that was probably the one where I didn't really get any videos of, oh, I can do that, too. Or I've done it before. That was the one where everyone was like, you know, respect, like that's not something that's supposed to happen on the water. So that was the first one. What's the craziest like DM or response you've gotten like from people like?

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Imagine you get it from all over there, you know from girls to the guys, you know, like what is it? You know anything that stands out. Um, well, I'll give a shout out to my friend Joel Some may know him as a dead mouse. He's big into a wake surfing the DJ Yeah, and he saw my kickflip and he's immediate like we got to get together. We got a wake surf I've had some wild stuff over time, but They celebrities or anyone else that's like, you know here and there here and there but

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I'll leave it just at Joel. I don't want to name drop too many other ones. Come on now. But that's the thing though. We were talking about the number of celebrities, like the growth of the sport, like Mark Wahlberg mentioned him, like a lot of people are getting into this. It's definitely become very popular. We're seeing many social media influencers, celebrities, everyone seems to be getting out there on the water. What's been like, you know.

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the craziest place you've ever wakesurfed or best. I know you tried in true places that you go with practice and all that, but maybe just experiential. When it comes to the experience, I love Turks and Caicos for wakesurfing. That crazy blue water is something that you can't get anywhere else. It's smooth enough? It's smooth enough, yeah. Yeah, so you just, both of those. How about saltwater versus regular water? Is it that, I mean, once you're on the water, is it that much difference?

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Um, if you can find smooth water, it doesn't make much of a difference. Uh, salt water does change the buoyancy of the board. So if you know really what you're looking for, you may find a small difference, but for most you can go out and be in salt water, fresh water and still have a great time. What's your, what's your boat of choice? Um, currently right now, it really just depends on the day. Um, I've got something in the works right now and

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You'll definitely be hearing about that soon. Oh, okay. We're not ready to release that on the Radcast. Maybe on the next one we can have something there, but yeah, I'm really excited for what's to come. There's a bunch of great boats out there that all make great waves, but I think here soon we're gonna have something really special coming up. Is there a specific boat brand that you do work with? Currently in the works right now. Oh, there we go. There are these behind the secrets. What's on the bucket list for you as far as maybe where you surf?

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who you surf with, their aspirations for those type of things. Yeah, it's always fun to get a chance to surf with celebrities and get to do that experience. I also love traveling as much as I can to go on those surf type of adventures. I love ocean surfing as well. Last week I was in El Salvador getting to surf with some friends, so it's fun to switch it up. But I think that I'm always looking forward to, I just love teaching people about the sport and introducing them to, you know.

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The family life of being on the lake and being with your friends is something that I really love showing people and getting to experience with them. What's on the 2024 calendar for Parker Payne? 24 calendar is definitely stacking up a lot. Already at the start of February, we're gonna be rocking and rolling, but I think I'm gonna spend a lot of time in Turks and Caicos next year with a great friend of mine. And there's gonna be a lot of opportunities that STEM oversees as well.

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Dubai is huge for wakesurfing as well, so I'd love to spend some time over there. Anywhere that I can go, I'll always say yes. Or even for a podcast like this, just to go and shake hands and meet new friends, I'm always willing to say yeah. Yeah, it's smart to do that. Hey, you might start your own podcast. We started a podcast network, you might can come under there. Yeah, actually me and a great friend of mine, we do it every now and then, but we do do a podcast called The Last Pull. And it's every now and then, but we interview other wakesurfers

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behind the scenes of not just their wake surfing, but also, you know, similar conversations we're having of how do they run their personal brand? What does their training schedule look like? What does their personal life look like outside of that stuff? Yeah. I mean, let's go down that path a little bit. Like, you know, the injuries, like people think of these sports, they may not think of it as like, I think you, as you see people, you know, there's an athlete, athleticism involved in it.

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but the training regimen and or maybe some of the injuries you've experienced. Yeah. Um, with any sport, whenever you push it to its fullest potential, you will get hurt. Not if you will. Um, it's the, it's just the reality of it. Um, in my days, I've definitely seen a lot of injuries. Uh, personally, I fractured my spine, um, taking many blows to the head, uh, from boards.

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I mean broken bones in my feet, you name it. I've probably had it happen. Being someone that has pushed it really far, it happens. We try to make our biggest, if we're trying a new trick that potentially has some risk, I always try to do it at the end of the year. So if I do hurt myself, I have the winter time to be able to heal up. But thankfully within wake surfing, it tends to be one of the safer sports. For anyone that's just getting into it.

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you're not really having to worry about, you know, general injuries. If someone steps on a skateboard, everyone has a risk of falling down and hitting the concrete, whereas on a wake surfer, thankfully at 11 miles an hour, the water is not going to hurt you too bad. Yeah. They got falling off a few boats, uh, you know, going a little faster than that. Yep. And then like, in like wakeboarding, I mean, you know, you're pulling behind, you're going faster just by the nature of it. Yeah. The face plants tend to hurt a little bit more. Oh yeah. I'm friends with a lot of those guys.

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pretty much all of them are wearing double knee braces and they're going to physical therapy three times a week. So I mean, that's a whole other, a whole other side of injuries and extreme sports. And what do you do to keep in shape? I mean, is it just, it's a car? I think we talked pre-episode cardio is a bit one of the biggest things. And yes, so I'm a runner, you know, wake servers are generally tall and skinny. So I'm not trying to get as big as I can trying to keep my body weight low. So I'm more efficient on the board. But a proper diet is really what helps you are what you eat. So

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eating great food will make you feel amazing. Yeah, how do you, how do you, what's, it's interesting, talking to a guy like you that's doing what they love, you know, is doing a sport that's fun, what's fun for you that's not on the water? Man, I mean.

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My passion is also my hobby, I'm sorry, my job is also my hobby at the same time. Traveling is probably my biggest hobby outside of wake surfing. And obviously it does go hand in hand, but whenever I have the opportunity to go somewhere, even if I'm not gonna bring my wake surfboards, I love just to go into that town and experience wherever I'm going for a couple of days. And that's what I absolutely love to do. Does it get old? Has it gotten old yet? Like if somebody, you know, somebody might be going, you're gonna teach you, let's go, let's get out there on the water.

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You know? It all has its ups and downs, but generally I love just about every minute of it. Yeah. Is, I mean, what's, what do you see yourself doing? Like 20 years from now? I mean, is it like? I don't know, because if you were to ask me, what am I gonna, if you were to ask me five years ago, where do you see yourself in five years? I would not have guessed that I would have been sitting right here doing what I'm doing now. You know, our.

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Environment is changing so much and so many new things are coming up here and there that it's really even hard for me to say What am I going to do in two years? What I'm going to do in five years? The best thing that I can say is I will try to capitalize on whatever comes at me So if there is a a new path or a new trick or a new sponsor that comes along that will both Lead us to success. That's a that's the train that i'm willing to hop on and and go with When did you know you obviously went pro in your 14? When did the light switch for you?

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going, this is actually a business, this is a career. You know, like, I sense that now from you both, clearly, but is there a certain, did you recognize that early on that like, I might do this forever? That.

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Point came in 2018 when I signed with Phase 5 wake surfers. Together we made the board the Phantom, which is the board I landed the kickflip on. Once we came up with that board and we started to see how the public reacted to it, that was the first time where I was like, wow, this is a lucrative industry to be in. It's also a very affluent industry. So there is definitely room for growth and for success within the sport. And as soon as I saw that we had products taking off and the other brands were starting

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to become interested, I knew that this was my time to double down and really go in on this, be full time. So that puts you at roughly 19-ish, 18, 19, around that time. Yeah, I think I was 18 years old. Yeah, I mean it's...

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It's mind-bending to me thinking about your age and having a skill that's so rare at the level that you do. And the ability to turn that into potentially lifelong career is just awesome. And I mean, I hope you're embracing it. Absolutely, I love every minute of it. I'm very thankful to be doing what I love and get to do it every day. What do your parents feel about it? How do they, what's their...

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pattern and all this. They love it too. My dad is a social, I'm sorry, a serial entrepreneur, so he's kind of been my guiding mentor within my younger years. They love it. I mean, like I said, they were water skiers in college.

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Every time I ask them to say, hey, come on the boat with me, they're always trying to make it. I love having them on the water with me. Whenever I can bring them with me to something, I'll always try to. They've definitely been a huge influence in my life. And the success that's come from it has definitely been stemming from them. Any brothers or sisters? Just me. So my parents get to deal with just this, but it's been a great, great time. That was good, man. Hey, they were blessed. They got a great son that's doing big things. And you know, like,

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blowing up the world and the internet, right? Yeah. Is TikTok or Instagram, where's your, what's the sweet spot? I like Instagram. I've got a lot of friends that are on TikTok, but Instagram for me is a way to have a little bit more of a concentrated audience. That's always been my bread and butter is Instagram. Were you always an athletic kid? Like, I mean, like for someone listening, just like I like to get my kid and something like that. Yeah. Just like.

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Was it just, were you just always natural? I was. I loved basketball and soccer growing up. I was not a football kid being as tiny as I was at the time, but at the same time of doing basketball and football, I was also picking up skateboarding and snowboarding and just being, you know, just starting being into ocean surfing. And as soon as wake surfing came around, I knew that it was time to, you know, hang everything else up on the rack and go in on this because I knew that that's what I loved.

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Yeah, and what's interesting, you know, like thinking about the breadth and the scope of the industry, you know, back to the approachability of it. You know, sometimes these sports and like, you know, I think about the X Games and Winter Games, it's a young man's sport or young woman's sport, you know, young person's sport. And, but this, this, it just, like you said, 70 year old, like you could be 10 or you could be 70, right? Yep.

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That's an awesome, that's a wide open window. I'm still considered to be one of the young guys within the industry.

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So I'm thankful that there's still plenty of time left for me to continue to expand my career and that, you know, oftentimes what happens with athletes is right when they start to get it figured out, they're kind of on the back and out of their career and they're getting a little old, whereas I'm very thankful now that I've still got plenty of time left. You know, knock on wood, I'm still in great health. So I would love to have the years to come and continue to grow. How old are most of your peers? One of my top competitors right now is 34. So we have a 10 year gap.

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Dude, you got 10 years to kick his ass. Yeah. It's still, you know, oh, I love it, man. I love your, I mean, you've got a, you have this really strong sense of like, you got it together, but there's home on this. You can go far, man. Well, thank you. Thank you, Ryan. I really appreciate you coming. Yeah. Thank you so much for having me. It's been an honor to be here. Yeah. And I'm going to take you up on that, the phase two on the water. Let's do it. I think that'd be a great video. We can absolutely make that happen. It'll either be the blooper of the year or the greatest thing ever.

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I don't know. I'm fairly athletic. I think you can get me up. You're going to be kick flip number two. I don't know. Six, five, two 70. I think the buoyancy might be a little bit much, but, uh, where can everybody keep up with everything you're doing, brother? Absolutely. Uh, you can find me on social media at Parker pain surf. Um, that's my main platform. You'll find everything else from there. Um, I'm always posting crazy videos and trying to get the next one there. So if you see me there, give me a follow. There you go. Parker pain surf.

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Appreciate you, man. You don't find us the radcast.com search for Parker Payne. You'll find all the highlight clips from today. Links to everything. Go get a new board, man. You know, you need a new one. You need whatever it is. Let's sell some boards.

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